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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 6:50PM real65rcncom said

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well, if they still have people willing to pay for that fiasco.. might as well milk em until they go dry. /shrug

Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:00PM dudes said

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To me this is "We're going to close soon. And concentrate on the F2P arena mashup wrath of heroes new game. Stay tuned."

Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:01PM Ghostspeaker said

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"...it's unclear how long you keep them."

Considering DDO's community is still going strong 2 years later, I think it is pretty clear they stick around. Of course, if you're not confident that your game is good enough to keep them coming back then that's another issue.

Posted: Oct 12th 2011 8:32PM augustgrace said

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@Ghostspeaker

Well Jacobs and Barnett have both come out and essentially bashed WAR. Barnett called it crap and Jacobs intimated that ALL mmorpgs on the market right now are subpar. If the people involved in the game have taken to being so critical then it is unlikely that anyone at EA feels the game is worth saving.

I agree though that their view on moving to a f2p doesn't line up with reality. Turbine and Fucom both claim their profits have doubled since moving to f2p. I suppose the question though is how much is double WAR's current profits?
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 8:36PM Ghostspeaker said

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@augustgrace

Which is sad, because it seems like the game could be really good if it just got some love. But yeah, I went back and read through old posts about WAR and it seems like they've completely given up on it. What a waste.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 9:00PM Utakata said

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@augustgrace

Wow...just wow. If those two are bashing the game they helped create...then they should do us all a favor and leave the entire gaming industry competely. It's their crap they left on the floor, they should learn to clean it up instead of complain about it. Just saying.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 9:29PM TheClaw said

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@Utakata : to be fair, there's not much Mark Jacobs can do to clean up the crap on the floor, since EA fired him already. Barnett, I dunno, I think he got shuffled sideways, which is fair enough since he was a complete success at HIS job - hyping an unreleased game enthusiastically enough to get people interested and following it.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 9:38PM Fabius Bile said

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@TheClaw

thats what has me the most intrigued, how on earth can Barnett get a job nowadays?

he had one card and he already played it.

Everyone involved in MMOs now know he is a snake oil salesman, and that when he says its a sunny day in hell, you better pick your umbrella cuz surely its raining cats and dogs.
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Posted: Oct 13th 2011 12:04AM Utakata said

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@TheClaw

True...but Jacobs had is chanceand he blew it. Now, if he where trashing EA being part of the problem of how War turned out, by all means. But he seems to be going after the product instead. To which he has only himself to blame.

@Fabius Bile

You're likely dead on with that assesment. He makes Bill Roper look like ArenaNet material IMO.
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Posted: Oct 13th 2011 5:11AM Space Cobra said

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@Utakata

"Now, if he where trashing EA being part of the problem of how War turned out, by all means. But he seems to be going after the product instead. To which he has only himself to blame."

First, he is still under contract not to trash EA. He hasn't said anything for a long time and EA has been fair in their view of him, too. His words weren't trashy as they were *measured*. Really, from what I saw, once EA stepped in, they started throwing their weight around. Most game studios have a history of kowtowing to the buyer, like EA, even if it diverges from what they know/do well. EA has caused many such companies to sink in its past because of it.

Now, Bioware may or may not have a clause that gives them complete oversight/final-say in their games, but I already see EA's "Suggestions" taking root in some of their decisions, as with DA and ME games (like Facebook and online components). One can be a strong-willed studio against a parent company, but being in that enviroment is not as easy as "staying your course", they (EA used as an example) will always come back and ask again or may ask someone else in your group or so on. It's corporate suits vs. laid-back gamers.
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Posted: Oct 13th 2011 1:43PM Utakata said

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@Space Cobra

I understand that. As I once inquired about Jacob's severance agreement with EA in an article a week or so back, so I am aware that something like that is being held over his head. But that still doesn't let him off the hook of dissing his own game he helped create. Whether it's full out trashing or mild crticisms of it, it's very disingenuous of him to do that when he's partly to blame for it. I lose a lot of respect for developers who do that.
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Posted: Oct 13th 2011 3:52PM Space Cobra said

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@Utakata

Well, I may be wrong, but it could easily have went something like this, which I've seen/heard happen before:

Studio gets bought out by Bigger Studio. Everything is cool and hunky-dory. Bigger Studio then wants certain changes put into *your* game, that you take personal stock/pride in. Whatever those changes are (More casual content, less bunny rabbits, more facebook interactivity, whatever). Small studio takes offense at "back seat driver", but since "back seat driver"= Bigger Studio that bought you, you feel obliged/compelled to listen and implement/do as he says. Bigger Studio may even talk down to you.

Thing is, we don't know all the facts. It could be as you've said. It could be as I've said. IMO, Jacobs seems happier without EA over his head nowadays. I think he even said some nice things about early Mythic (before the takeover), so that may/nay not mean something.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2011 9:57AM starbuck1771 said

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@Ghostspeaker the difference is that Turbine knows how to do F2P better then everyone else. You don't have to pay for turbine points your given a chance to earn them in-game via acheivment awards. The other developers make you buy the points/cash for their games one way or another.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:02PM Callagan said

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Expect it to go completely into maintenance mode once SWTOR goes live.

Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:34PM Khazak said

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@Callagan It went into maintenance over a year ago. I know, I kept paying for it up until two months ago.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:46PM Callagan said

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@Khazak

Didn't they release a patch a month or so ago? It's not maintenance mode yet if they actually change stuff.
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Posted: Oct 13th 2011 12:25PM Deadalon said

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@Callagan
It will be closed down 2 months after SWTOR is out. Thats why they put their Arena WAR as F2P.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:05PM smartstep said

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Well to convert Warhammer Online would cost alot. They are just not ready / don't want to invest this kind of money.

Not to mention that competition in freemium / f2p model is rapidly rising. Wonder when we see first freemium/ f2p closing...

Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:06PM smartstep said

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@smartstep

cause it is nothing unusual in Asia for f2p to shut down as well.

btw. edit button would be really nice here...
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Posted: Oct 12th 2011 7:11PM Emolition said

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@smartstep
Allready seen one f2p shutdown battleswarm shutdown this summer.
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