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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:14AM hereafter said

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@relgoth

I don't think this is the same thing at all. That was an issue of privacy this is an issue of... RMT creep? That doesn't really affect anyone? Yeah, if they create some kind of full service RMT auctionhouse like for D3, that's big. This is just one little pet that most people probably don't care about.

Right now there's an industry based around gold-selling. People are already undermining the game's economy. This is a drop in the sea compared to that.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:15AM KvanCetre said

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@relgoth
It wouldn't negatively impact me at all.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:21AM real65rcncom said

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@Ehra

yes he did in another bad analogy.

I never understand why people can never just discuss things on the merits of the actual TOPIC instead of this continued "Imagine if the Ford Motor Company had said 'no' to the rubber tire" or some other thing that isn't related.

If his point is that people should say something when they are upset (which it appears to be) not sure why he didn't just say that. /shrug

But to try and equate this with RealID is just silly, I'm afraid.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 11:13AM Reverend St Jay said

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@real65rcncom

It sure is someone else's $10 bucks, but when they try to sell that in-game, who's gold are they going to get?

And once they get that gold, what are they going to buy with it?

All of the sudden you are going to be competing for crafting materials, trade goods, BoE items, etc. with people that used their own $10 to buy a material advantage in game. They didn't have to do 175 dailies a week to get that gold. They didn't have to run heroics and raids to get that gold. They didn't have to play the AH at all hours of the night to corner the market on item X. All they had to do is open up their wallets and buy it. And now you have to compete with them without spending the $10 that is yours.

I know, it's just a minipet that people may or may not want to buy. But Blizzard is famous for boiling the frog, introducing drastic changes slowly, one component at a time. If this minipet is well received, there will be more, and the impact on the game will be greater.

Now, for me, I've been done with WoW since the RealID fiasco. That was my proof that the company viewed me as a source of income and nothing more. This minipet is further proof, and people that are still playing should start paying better attention to how hot the water in their "jacuzzi" has gotten.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 11:51AM hereafter said

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@Reverend St Jay

People already buy gold and get away with it. The difference with this is that the gold you can make in the AH with it is limited to the demand people have for it. It's a vanity pet that anyone can buy, so people won't be paying much for it in the AH. Usually what drives prices up is rarity or cost of creation. This pet has neither of those going for it.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 1:45PM Spacegrass said

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@real65rcncom

The purchase of a $10 pet will not put money into the game that you will benefit from. It will put money into Bobby Kotick's hookers n' blow fund.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:02AM Xo1o said

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are people actually freaking out because of a stupid vanity pet that does.... nothing?

Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:08AM real65rcncom said

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@Xo1o
in before someone responds to you with:

"but but but but but..BUT! it will lead to the decline of Western civilization as we know it!

You have to understand if Blizzard gets away with a$10 pet today, Obama will get away with a tax on the middle class tomorrow, then the liberals will take over, anarchy and then the Martians can invade easily!

Blizzard must be stopped now because they are evil and greedy! You don't see that big picture!"

I get a kick out of all the "slippery slope" mmo people. They are more entertaining than the Obama birthers. /smile
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:11AM Wispur said

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@Xo1o Yes. and most of them are forgetting that most people will just buy it on the AH for gold and it won't affect them at all.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:16AM Ehra said

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@Xo1o

It's kinda funny.

Blizzard adds cash shop pets and mounts: Rage over how these should be in the game without costing extra, considering the monthly fee.

Blizzard adds a cash shop pet that's bind on use, allowing players to acquire one from other players without spending any money: More rage.


I really don't get how there's any downside to this. It'd be preferable if there wasn't any cash shop and these items were available through ingame means (since it's a subscription game), but if there is going to be a cash shop then making the items tradable seems preferable to the people who are opposed to paying for these items. Now you can get these items with ingame gold, what the hell are you upset about?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:03AM VikingGamer said

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This isn't even going to work as a good real money substitute. Not everybody is going to want this pet and even those who do will only want one. A pet has no game value what so ever. At least in EVE, a PLEX has a consistent value to a buyer, it can get you 30 days of game time. People are going to buy these stupid pets and find that they quickly wont sell for anything near what they thing $10 worth of gold would be.

Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:06AM relgoth said

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@VikingGamer

This option will more than likely be retroactively added to each item in the pet store. Its not the pet that is the problem. Its when everything else becomes bind on use.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:18AM hereafter said

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@relgoth

Even then, we're talking about one-time-use vanity pets and a couple mounts. The sort of things that are easily available in game anyway. The coolest mounts aren't even in the shop.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:43AM Ceridith said

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@hereafter

The excuse for allowance of these things has always be with "but it's only..."

"But it's only vanity pets with the CE version of the game."
"But it's only vanity items from TCG (the WoW trading card game)."
"But it's only vanity mounts from TCG."
"But it's only a vanity mount and double experience to 10 levels before the level cap from the RAF (recruit a friend)."
"But It's only a BOP vanity pet for $10, and half the money goes to charity."
"But it's only a BOP vanity pets for $10 (no money to charity)."
"But it's only a BOP vanity horse for $25."
"But it's only a BOE vanity pet for $10 that can be traded to other players in-game for in-game items and gold."

They've been doing this crap for years, slowly getting the player base more and more use to RMT. Every time they push the boundary on RMT, there is an outcry against it. And every time this happens they wait a few months for people to forget and get use to it, before they push the boundary again.

The next thing Blizzard will be selling will be a BOE mount. After that, they'll probably release more and more appealing "BOE tradeable" items that basically facilitate RMT in the game.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:55AM hereafter said

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@Ceridith

Maybe so. The game's on the decline anyway, so if they make it faster, that's their own problem.

The key here is that nothing has been anything more than a vanity item yet. Nothing in that list of yours has had any real effect on gameplay. I was playing WoW when they first introduced these and played until that latest mount came out. Not once did I ever feel compelled to pay for them and aside from the launcher advertisements when they release, there's no advertising that tries to make me buy them. If this is the horror of RMT that people are moaning about, I don't see it.

Then again, I don't really care what happens to WoW right now, so maybe I shouldn't even be offering my opinion. Even so, this still doesn't seem like a big deal
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 4:01PM Ehra said

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@Ceridith

Actually, people said from the beginning that it was ok because they were just vanity pets/mounts. In fact, you pretty much inadvertandly showed what I've been syaing since the beginning. People can't actually come up with a legit complaint against these things (outside of a sub based game having a cash shop at all), so they put up slippery slope arguments like "first its pets, then its gear!"

You just gave a list of 8 steps Blizzard has supposedly taken towards exploiting their playerbase spread across 6 years, and they STILL haven't diverged from selling vanity pets or mounts. Yet still you guys keep going "any month now and it'll happen! Just you wait!"
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:07AM Ehra said

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Games like Perfect World and Dungeon Fighter do this with their cash shop items; they're all tradable so if you wanted you could eventually buy the cash shop items without paying any money. I think it's a good thing. But, then again, they also don't charge a subscription fee.

Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:15AM ChaosInc said

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Won't be long before gold sellers figure out how to use this to do their sales. And no, I'm not about to post openly on how it can be done, but I assure you it can.

Keep digging that grave Blizz. Since the release of Cata, you've been doing an awesome job of driving people away.

Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:22AM Grumms said

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@ChaosInc You mean since the release WotLK. Burning Crusade just...okay. Lich King was a goddamn joke.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2011 10:23AM Grumms said

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@Grumms Massively needs to add an edit feature, jesus.
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