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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:20AM Mikx said

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I can't help but notice that this particular venn diagram doesnt include any room for an MMO shooter that doesnt suck. A third circle would have helped.

Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:27AM Tom in VA said

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@Mikx

I think the diagram is altogether accurate. Suckage in an MMOFPS cannot be avoided. :)
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 12:41PM Standamongst said

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@Tom in VA

I wasn't aware that planetside sucked.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 6:59PM Resurge said

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@Standamongst ok, so there's a grand total of 1, and it's so old that it barely even counts anymore.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 11:37PM champagon said

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@Mikx they need a "planetside" circle
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:31AM Azaetos said

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I'm more interested in how they are going to deal with aimbots, the bane of online FPS's. Aimbots are rife in games like Global Agenda and APB, hopefully Firefall will have some detection systems in place that will actually be effective.

Even with systems in place, in a F2P model it's far to easy for someone who got banned to just make another account and be back in the game within minutes. How are they going to deal with that?

It's really pretty sad that developers have to put things in place to stop cheaters. Victory through cheating is a very hollow one indeed.

Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:35AM Skyydragonn said

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@Azaetos
aah always one "I got beat, they must be hacking"

Though in the case of APB, your probably right. as for GA, I don't recall any instance where it felt like someone was using a bot. Which in a game like GA you really can't.

Firefall devs have stated they are building anti-cheat tech in house as well as built into the serverside gamedata. Basically the server does not trust the client data and checks it against the other incoming data. While I can't really say anything about the gameplay (NDA) I can say the guys on their staff are a surprising group of very transparent developers and thier level of community interaction goes beyond what I've seen from any big name developer/publisher.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 10:26AM Azaetos said

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@Skyydragonn

Oh dear you got me, I must be terrible when certain individuals in GA would shoot me from across the other side of the map whilst they are jet-packing time and time again without missing even once.
No aimbots or hacks in Global Agenda you say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od21hpcFcE4 that new enough for you? Personally I haven't played in months, but it looks to me that it is still happening.

As for Firefall, that's good to know, hopefully it works very well.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 7:02PM Resurge said

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@Skyydragonn you're out of your mind if you don't think aimbots are a problem in GA. Like he said ..getting sniped by a guy actively jetpacking across the map 10 times in 1 round, and his k/d at the end is 39/0 indicates you are way wrong.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 8:38PM Fabius Bile said

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dear Skyydragonn, have you ever played a F2P mmofps? they all are hacker's paradises, so much that the company stops caring and just let people hack their brains out
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:32AM Skyydragonn said

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All I can say without saying anything is that Firefall wil transcend the circles and begin the dodecahedron revolution of FPS gaming!

Posted: Oct 6th 2011 10:55AM chuckasucka said

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@Skyydragonn

Are you... legally bound... not to say anything?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 8:40PM Fabius Bile said

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@Skyydragonn
all I can say saying everything is that FireFall will be a payToWin game...maybe not at first, but will slowly move into that as they dont get enough revenue thru non game impacting cash shop items...

have fun being oneshotted by wallet warriors, unless you are another wallet warrior yourself. in that case, LOL at you...
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:38AM Streamweaver said

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Technically it's the "Vesica piscis" of suck. :)

Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:49AM real65rcncom said

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"So why is he heading up the development of Firefall, a free-to-play MMO/shooter hybrid that aims to stand genre convention on its head?"
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If I had a car for everytime someone covering a game or the company making the game or the fans of that game made this claim, I'd have more cars than Jay Leno, Reggie Jackson and the entire Barrett Jackson auto show combined. (latest game being RIFT to claim this)

In general, just shut up about your game and the "genre" and make it already. Let it speak for itself. We'll play it if it's good.

Posted: Oct 6th 2011 9:56AM Skyydragonn said

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@real65rcncom

I would suggest you look up the staff members that comprise this company. This isn't some garage band indie studio, we're talking some of the best in the field are behind this project. Also If you ahve doubts, get on thier IRC channel and talk to them, at least one member of staff is on IRC at almost any point in the day/night.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 10:03AM Acharenus said

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@real65rcncom This, I'm so tired of hearing devs talk up there games especially in the mmo genre and it's branches.

It wouldn't be so bad if they just stuck to little things like "truth" and "facts"
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 10:27AM real65rcncom said

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@Skyydragonn said: "I would suggest you look up the staff members that comprise this company. This isn't some garage band indie studio, we're talking some of the best in the field are behind this project. Also If you ahve doubts, get on thier IRC channel and talk to them, at least one member of staff is on IRC at almost any point in the day/night"
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err.. what the hell does this mean? It has nothing to do what I said.

First, stop pretending I said they suck or or scrubs. It wasn't even SUGGESTED, lol.

Next, reread it carefully. I'm not even knocking the game so get out of defensive mode.

Third, what I said is absolutely true. All these claims made by companies, fans (like you?) and writers end up building expectations to games that amount to average when they cannot deliver on what was hyped.. yes.. hyped. To talk about "setting the genre convention" on it's head is hype whether they can pull it off or not.

I'm saying we've been down this road plenty of times before, by small dinky dink companies who can barely push out one title (Darkfall) and huge megacorporation gaming mills (Square Enix).

Just make the bloody game and shut up about the rest.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 1:59PM alucard3000 said

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@real65rcncom I have to say that I agree with real here and was going to say the same thing.Dont get me wrong I am looking forward to the game just getting tired of dvelopers claiming they are working on making the next best thing since sliced bread rather than just doing it and letting the "game" speak for itself.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 2:11PM Space Cobra said

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@real65rcncom

Throw in my sentiments with real65: "The proof's in the pudding". So, let us try the pudding and see for ourselves.

As for question marks, those never really bothered me and were there for a specific reason. Unless there is some system that compensates, I can see many lost/frustrated players in this game's future while they locate quest givers. (And heck, some would say, Arrows leading to quests bother folks, too.)
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