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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:09PM Khai mann said

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I think it's a step in the right direction.

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:19PM Eamil said

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Agreed.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:26PM DeadlyAccurate said

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@Khai mann I agree. It was a good apology. Sometimes it takes someone a while to come around to their mistake, especially when it requires a huge dose of humble pie.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:10PM Scuffles said

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............ that didn't sound much like an apology... it sounded whole hell of a lot more like an unapology if ever I have heard one. Might as well have just said.

"I'm sorry for getting caught with my hand in the cookie jar"

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 4:49PM AnathemaOne said

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@Scuffles

I agree with you completely. It sounds like they are only sorry because they got caught. The "apology" is simple damage control. They've shown their true colors, and are trying to convince us that what we saw wasn't the way they really are. I don't believe they've actually changed, not for a second.

I'm done with them.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 5:20PM JuliusSeizure said

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@Scuffles

"The estrangement from CCP that many of you have been feeling of late is my fault, and for that I am truly sorry"

You were saying?

The fact that he then goes on to explain all the ways his own arrogance lead to this debacle is insincere to you? It seems like you just won't be pleased with anything short of his resignation, huh? I don't know about you, but I'd rather see someone who's screwed up and learned a lesson remain in charge of something I care about than someone who's never learned that lesson and could make that very same mistake any moment now.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 8:11PM Eric Francis said

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@JuliusSeizure Heres the important part that is not quoted in this massively article:

"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past. The culture of online gaming is changing, just as the notion of digital ownership did with music. If we don’t evolve our technology, our game design and our revenue model, then we risk obsolescence, and we just can’t allow that to happen to EVE or to our community."
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 8:49PM Brendan Drain said

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@Eric Francis Hilmar is absolutely right on that point, though. Over the past several years I've written for Massively we've seen a huge rise in F2P games and in subscription games going F2P. LOTRO's devs even announced that switching to a hybrid model with the option of a subscription or an F2P scheme tripled the game's revenue. So it's entirely possible that MMOs with a single subscription-based payment scheme could disappear altogether in the next few years, either forced to go free to play or forced to use a hybrid model.

If that happens and people start rejecting subscription-only games, CCP is going to need experience with cash shops and alternative subscription models or EVE will fail. Within the next few years, CCP needs to explore the microtransaction possibilities within EVE to see if they can make a large enough profit per user to go free to play and still keep the company afloat.

The important part is from a line just before the part you quoted:
"Let me be blunt: Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"

A strict policy of vanity-only items is an RMT scheme that nobody can reasonably oppose. There's literally no down side to it, it's only if gameplay-affecting microtransactions are put in that we should be worried.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 9:27PM JuliusSeizure said

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@Eric Francis

I'm failing to see the menace there. I'm sorry you can't get over the idea of any model but pure subscription is terrible, but he's correct when you look at the market.

Would you rather EVE wither and die in the next few years than ever explore new income models? Making a mistake in that exploration then working hard to fix it helps the company learn a lot more than just allowing the slow slide into oblivion to go unheeded.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 10:58PM Azaetos said

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@Brendan Drain

So you honestly think that EVE can survive with no subscription fee and by just selling vanity items in the cash shop, that's very naive.

The one thing that CCP or anyone else doesn't seem to be addressing is how they think a full cash shop in a sandbox game is possibly going to work. Mark my words, advantage items will creep into the cash shop if EVE goes F2P, otherwise the game will not maintain itself with vanity items alone.

I remember when LOTRO was announcing the F2P model and it was only supposed to have 'convenience' items in it ... well have a look at it now and it's full of 'advantage' items.

Games like LOTRO and DDO are themepark games to the extreme with many gated areas which work for the pricing model, what are they going to do in EVE, stop you from going to 0.0 unless you purchase a 'special pass' from the cash shop?

With all the talk from Hilmar about F2P is the future, I believe they will kill EVE dead with it because it will completely change the dynamic of the game. The game thrives on long term goals whether it be your individual character or an alliance taking over an area.

When it comes to PvP many F2P games have a high turnover of players as 'free' players come to the realization that they are just fodder for paying players or the power buying players become bored with virtually 2-shotting people all day long. So where do you think that would leave you in EVE, a very PvP-centric game?

When you look overall at what has occured in EVE over the last two years it doesn't take a genius to realise that with CCP mostly ignoring any significant new FiS features that the subscriber growth has taken a hit. I have to wonder what the subscriber numbers would be if they hadn't virtually abandoned the games core features.

And this whole 'F2P is the future' BS is really just getting annoying now and the company marketing machines have gone into overdrive with this 'we're doing it for you' crap. If a game is actually good enough, then it will have no problem enticing players to it and maintaining subscriptions.

When I look at the F2P games all I see are a myriad of sub-par games or subscription games that were in decline before changing pricing models.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2011 5:36AM Eric Francis said

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@Brendan Drain Im sure there are PLENTY of people willing to pay a sub, just like me, for a total package like they used to do 'em. I think the real issue here is companies getting greedy and selling us shit like downloadable content a week after the game you just paid 50 bucks for is out. So its not that they cant make a living giving you a sub and a full game, its that theyre too greedy, and its turning the genre into a pile of shit.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:16PM chuckasucka said

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they messed up, and it can't be fixed.

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:19PM (Unverified) said

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Too little, "WAY" too late. Moved onto others mmos with better developers at the helm.

I know CCP stopped the quarterly reports to hide their massive loss in subscriptions from the debacle. As CCP would always taut that they always saw an increase in subs. Should be interesting when the annual report finally arrives, I suspect those will be canceled and replaced with bi-annual reports just before then. :P

Now is when we look more at what CCP "does" and less of what it "says". I love seeing that statement being thrown back in is face.

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:22PM MajorPorpoise said

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I agree, but that statement doesn't hold as much heat now that Hilmar himself said it's time they started doing more of what they said.

Just saying.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:29PM Boardwalker said

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Spoken like a true EVE player. Always something negative to say. Happy trails, bitter vet.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 6:13PM (Unverified) said

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@Boardwalker

Spoken like a true troll, nothing but insults to post on other's opinions. Hope you find a nice bridge.
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Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:24PM Perdurabo said

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SO happy to see this. Just the tone of the devblogs have renewed my faith in CCP; the content planned for winter is just icing on the cake!

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:26PM (Unverified) said

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For you folks that watch Southpark, remember the Coon and Friends episodes with BP... uhhh DP.....


I'm sorry...... sorry, so sorry.....
/naked dude on a bear rug.

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:28PM Riveted said

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@(Unverified) Yeah, I gave up on Eve when they released the cash shop. In and of itself, it wasn't a huge deal, but along with *yet another* screwup in CCP listening to the community, I'd had enough.

Posted: Oct 5th 2011 3:30PM Khai mann said

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It's sad to see how childish MMO players are. In my opinion it's the reason most MMO suck anyway.

CCP screwed up... They know that, we know that and half of the damn world knows that as well by now.... Who cares.... If they truly get things on track again I'm more than happy to let bygones be bygones.

Some people act like CCP unleashed a nuclear bomb or something..... get over yourselves.

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