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Posted: Oct 2nd 2011 8:23PM hereafter said

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Yeah the e-mail thing was unfortunate, but it was kind of funny watching people overreact and threaten pre-order cancellation, demand recompense, and even evoke memories of the PSN debacle by questioning information safety. Yeah, that made me chuckle.

I remember at my last job when people accidentally hit "reply all" we would just joke about it.

Posted: Oct 2nd 2011 8:26PM A Burger said

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Posted: Oct 2nd 2011 11:15PM drunkingamebar said

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WoW really screwed the pooch with LFD and soon the LFR among other things, but the community is shot to sh*t. Surely the "We have the most successful mmo ever" attitude didn't help any, and now they are busting ass trying to avoid mass sub loss with upcoming SW:ToR and GW2. Might be to late, they have burned many people. The game is far from dead, though the mmo atmosphere is nearly gone, it's almost like GW1, where the city is a lobby, and everything else is instanced or a big lonely adventure.

I almost resubbed just to play with the xmoging, but then I hear legendary's have been excluded. Silly Blizzard, I may have resubscribed and got back into the game continuing to dish out 15 a month; however my priest isn't my main, so I don't see it worth 15 dollars + 1000g to change my staff to benediction and log out - My warrior on the other hand - T6 bulwark of azzinoth and warglaive of azzinoth - I loved that look, be nice to see the skins again while also being viable tank.

Oh well, I guess they still have 10/11 million people who don't care 'bout it and still pay - my loss. :(

Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 12:23AM Seldra said

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@drunkingamebar
The bigger the game, the shittier community.

Maybe they'll add that skin change that you want someday. I think it's a definite possibility, I mean they didn't want to add stuff like armor skin stat changing because they were doing great at the time. Why change a good thing?

Now with big name games and studios coming around the corner and losing subs, and free to play games taking market by storm. They gotta reevaluate their attitudes.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 5:48AM avaloner said

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@drunkingamebar

Your comments about GW1 is one of the reasons im not looking forward to GW2 like a lot of people, that and the lack of some form of holy trinaty.

Oh and I also imagine chat in the game will quickly devolve to levels that would put WOW to shame as the console gamers flood the servers.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 6:42AM Rhodanum said

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@avaloner

I'm still baffled about this conviction that GW2 will have the instancing issues of GW1, when 'open-world' was pretty much touted from the very beginning. It sometimes makes me think that some points don't sink until one either tries something for oneself.

Also, I fail to see how a lack of 'holy trinity' will flood the servers with console gamers. If anything, I suspect that the game will probably get a large influx of player like me, who became unspeakably bitter towards the whole trinity system due to experiences in past games (y halo thar, being stubborn enough to play as a Retadin in WoW for 3+ years, never mind what a pain in the ass it was to get spots for end-game content. One of the highlights of my WoW career was the all-Paladin run of Stratholme halfway between BC and Wrath. Good way to stick it to the system, even if we did make things harder for us from a gamplay mechanic perspective)
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 11:28AM Nucleon said

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@drunkingamebar It's popular, especially on Massively, to trash WoW and everything it does. But in reality I think it's fair to say that the LFD feature is THE most popular feature in WoW right now. If Blizzard implements the LFR feature correctly, it would not surprise me if we saw WoW's subscription numbers rise for the first time in years. Obviously that's a big "if" because it requires ensuring two things: 1) Groups are actually able to clear raids. 2) Wait times for DPS are not over 30 mins.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 11:46AM Brianna Royce said

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@Nucleon I'll be curious to see whether you're right. I think the dungeon finder is one of the best things to happen to MMOs ever, and in fact it got me to resub way back when, but I'm not sure that the pool of people who want to *raid* isn't already tapped out. In other words, raiders (already a very small portion of the population) who have quit probably won't come back for pug raids, and casuals who have no time to raid probably won't resub for a raid finder either. So does that leave jaded hardcore-casuals who have time but perhaps small guilds? Is that enough to recoup Blizzard's losses? Guess we'll see. :D

I would hazard a guess that since the trinity in raids in WoW scales so poorly (you need one tank for a 5-man, but you also usually only need one tank *maybe* two for a large raid) that DPS will do much better with LFR than LFD.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 2:01PM drunkingamebar said

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@Seldra The game has been big for along time, the community wasn't always completely sh*t. It actually started going downhill with arena's and then getting far worse in WotLK, 3.3.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 2:21PM drunkingamebar said

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@avaloner Console gamer's would never leave the Alliance to play GW2. :)

GW2 isn't a lobby game like GW1/WoW

The Holy Trinity sucks, look at WoW forums, tanks mad that they can't dps, pvp, healers mad they can't kill things solo, and hybrid's suck (unless druid) People complain about it all the time. It's funny, but as soon as someone takes away their "I am the healer so I can afk every 5 minutes without saying anything" power they QQ! Healers usually have mains or alts they rather play, but in order to sit at the cool kids table they put on the dress and start casting heals, beg that next time someone else heals so they can dps or tank. Tanks usually switch out too, so they can have fun - big numbers = fun.

More or less the holy trinity is for people who need to be center of attention, even if it means being blamed for EVERYTHING that goes wrong.

I'm the tank, I'm the leader, you listen to me!
I'm the healer, you go when I say you can go!
I'm the Dps, you can't do anything w/out me!
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 3:54PM OrangeGamer said

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@avaloner Wow, hate much? GW is free, and you can also play any other MMO with it. Also, have you even tried the first GW?
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 3:56PM OrangeGamer said

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@Nucleon Yeah, personally- I want to see some raid content as it gets older, and LFR is perfect for that. It seems like a natural step. We have a guild that runs 10-mans of RL friends, and it'd be nice if we could pug into 25s occasionally.

I just feel people crying about LFD/LFR aren't even in the high raid tier content, they just wanna QQ.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 3:57PM OrangeGamer said

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@avaloner Also, you won't be missed. It's ironic that you're what would make the GW2 community terrible anyways. Please never touch it, and stick to subscription MMOs. :)
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 4:03PM OrangeGamer said

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@drunkingamebar I actually just resubbed to WoW for the first time since right after Cataclysm launched and life was hectic. I'm having a lot of fun with it, switched mains to a Shaman since I'd always wanted to heal with one. My RL friends roped me back in though. We're just basically playing in passing and screwing around, leveling, and having a good time.:D

I think gaming is what you make of it personally. I don't know how much of Cata you saw, but I feel like I'm coming in fresh now.

Though, a question to you: Is transmogrification REALLY 1k gold an item? Dear sweet baby Jesus.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 4:04PM OrangeGamer said

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@drunkingamebar I think I like both, but ready for something different. Right now, my plan is GW2, and maybe WoW on the sub-burner. Though if a healer complains at this stage they can't solo ANYTHING, they need to dual spec. I was a healer before dual speccing came out- now that is pretty horrible.:P

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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 4:44PM drunkingamebar said

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@OrangeGamer Why would people who have never get into raids QQ about a pug tool that gets them into them? Sounds more like casuals defending a system that let's them be really bad and also raid. Leave the tool in place, but take the cross-server bs out!

It has turned WoW into a lobby game filled with trash talk and trolling.

TL;DR WoW = CoD.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 5:48PM Seasqwaa said

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@OrangeGamer
Nope, transmog is pretty reasonable actually.
The void storage, which is also new, is 1k to start...

Transmog (As the PTR has it; subject to change perhaps) goes for around 1k for every slot. I did most primary looking stuff and came to 400g about.
NO need for wrists most of the time... and boots when you have a robe.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 6:12PM (Unverified) said

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@avaloner

I agree that GW1 was pretty bad. I hope that Arenanet makes GW2 a lot better.
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 8:19PM drunkingamebar said

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@OrangeGamer I had left cata in March I played in vanilla, all through tBC and some of WotLK I actually left after clearing the very boring content pre-ulduar and I didn't resub until RS. I've had my fill of pugs through the LFD system catching back up on my own time, so I could raid with alts. Really I think the worst part of the system is the cross server uses, as an mmo and the social side of things, be a ton better if people knew one another on the same server again - like they used to.

I think it would make a ton less douche bags, be douche bags all the time. Not only that you make new e-friends you can ask later on in the future if they'd like to also join in on a queue. Plenty of people on servers!
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Posted: Oct 3rd 2011 12:11AM Space Cobra said

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You know, I would have liked my trooper to have a mirrory-metallic armor in SWTOR or even that look.

Yes, I know it's an Alpha-build shot, but I wouldn't mind having access to it. In fact, just been going over the screenshot gallery and, IMHO, things have improved graphically. We even got robes now (although I kinda like my Jedi to have that sans-robe look...).

Also, been going over the older columns (mostly fast-scanning) and it's been two years already (I know they were working on it longer). It's interesting how some of the early articles talk/asked about things like, "Too much hype for you?" that long ago! ;P Meh, some things never change!

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