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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 2:41PM andyman54 said

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good article!

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 3:07PM Seffrid said

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Too long an article to read completely, if I'm honest, but you raise some interesting points.

You say that extending F2P to the live servers will bring back former players who don't want to pay a sub, but most of those will have established themselves on the F2P server already.

Yes, Smed may say that 40% left because they didn't want to pay a sub but what if he isn't mentioning that the other 60% left because they didn't want a cash shop with the inevitable F2P merger down the road? That may not be the case, but my point is that you can't read one stated "fact" in isolation and assume nothing else is relevant. What about the other 60%? What reasons did they give? What is the percentage of people leaving who complete the survey and how representative is it?

F2P has only been a qualified success. Yes, it is the busiest server, but it is only one server and SOE have never given respective figures for the total F2P and P2P populations (the latter across all the live servers).

What is beyond doubt is that SOE intended and expected that they would have added additional F2P servers by now, and the demand simply hasn't been there.

I also believe very firmly that it was fully intended that by now the F2P and P2P systems would be merged (after the dust had settled) and that SOE would consider the F2P population large enough to carry any losses in their P2P players from doing so. Fact is that they haven't implemented any such merger yet, and I'm not aware of them even mooting the possibility.

If SOE were to extend the F2P system to the live servers the degree of hostility to F2P on those servers among the hardcore players left on those servers is such that they would risk losing a mass of players, and players I might add who have been loyal sub-paying customers for many years. All for an extension of a system that hasn't been as successful as it was thought it would be. I don't believe Smed would commit such a faux pas, he's too astute commercially for that these days.

So for all the arguments for and against, I don't believe such a merger is going to happen, at least in the foreseeable future, nor do I see any reason why it should if I'm honest. I don't rule it out some way down the line, but while both systems are operating satisfactorily alongside each other it seems unlikely they will be changed.

Put simply, if it was going to happen it would have done so by now.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 3:38PM (Unverified) said

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@Seffrid Didn't bother reading your whole post once I saw the derp about "other 60% who left over the cash shop". My response? Citation needed!
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 3:43PM Ehra said

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@Seffrid

"You say that extending F2P to the live servers will bring back former players who don't want to pay a sub, but most of those will have established themselves on the F2P server already. "

I don't know about you, but if I'm an old vet of a MMO that later goes F2P but expects me to start completely over on a new server then I'm not going to take advantage of that offer.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:39PM smartstep said

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@Ehra

Then SOA should make free transfers of 'old' characters from live servers to EQ2X servers for all that wish to do so.
Don't have to convert whole server. Simple.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:39PM Seffrid said

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"Didn't bother reading your whole post once I saw the derp about "other 60% who left over the cash shop". My response? Citation needed! "

No citation needed, just for you to read on enough to see my comment that that may not have happened, but that my point was "what about the other 60%?"

I don't know about you, but when I see a company making out a case based on 40% ie a minority of an unspecified sample (we don't know how many quitters get the survey, I never have), I want to know more about it.

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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:43PM Ehra said

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@smartstep

"Then SOA should make free transfers of 'old' characters from live servers to EQ2X servers for all that wish to do so. "

Sure they did, but they didn't. Which was my point in relation to the person I was replying to; there are plenty of reasons why someone might potentially come back if the entire game went F2P yet hasn't come back for Extended.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:43PM Seffrid said

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@Ehra

"I don't know about you, but if I'm an old vet of a MMO that later goes F2P but expects me to start completely over on a new server then I'm not going to take advantage of that offer. "

That's fair enough, but there is an option to pay to copy a character across from live to F2P, and many also have taken the opportunity to re-roll on F2P (as I have done). Yours is a perfectly valid standpoint, but not everyone will hold it.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:47PM Ehra said

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@Ehra

Meant to say "sure they should have," not "sure they did."
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 6:19PM (Unverified) said

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@Seffrid I'm sorry. I categorize anything you say after that first sentence in the league of Palin, Bachmann, and Perry. Unbelievable hyperbole.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 3:27PM TheDragonspider said

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I do miss EQ2 and would play again if no cost, just to visit. While I might not contribute to Sony's pot of gold, I would be an unpaid extra in the background adding to liveliness of some server. That's the way I like to see it anyway.
I find it hard to believe folks (like myself) haven't already left due to the multitude of changes over the years. While I did appreciate some changes, the sum was too much. Having played since the beginning I found my time and investment became less meaningful as the game became easier/quicker. I had a ton of fun but couldn't get over the increasing casualness of the game, not sure that's the right way to describe it, but there was no sense in playing regularly when it seemed you could just wait for the game to be simplified and achieve the same thing with much less effort.
So short story long, it might as well change since the good old days (in my opinion) are gone.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 3:40PM (Unverified) said

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Many on Live love to mention that F2P was supposed to have a second server. Yes, it was planned (without a date) that a PvP server would open. Frankly, there isn't enough interest. Now we know two new servers are coming next year. If they want PvP they should open a F2P open, no holds barred PvP server. No rules, no GMs. Even then I don't think it'd keep the attention of the ADHD PvP crowd.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 3:44PM Bhagpuss said

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Very good article.

I agree it's time to take down the wall. Nothing that Live players feared would happen under F2P has happened. The free players aren't any cruder or ruder than the paying ones. There is no more "pay to win" than there ever was. The novelty hasn't worn off and the free server is still bustlingly busy a year after launch.

It's time, at least, for another log-in poll on Live over the issue. I suspect the result would be very different this time.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:28PM smartstep said

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That's what I thought it will be when I started to read articles glorifying EQ2X.

That it might be preparation to convert live server to freemum.

WHY?

People have options right? They can play live or eq2x atm, best option.

Choice?

But I guess SOA want to force whole community into freemium hoping for more money...

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 6:20PM (Unverified) said

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@smartstep Who is SOA?
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:39PM (Unverified) said

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No offense, eq2 should NOT be f2p. Now that it is, free servers are a great idea and how it should have been from the beginning.


OR...

If SOE just woke the frack up and PROMOTED THEIR GAMES for once(instead of relying on current mmo gamers) then ALL SOE games would easily have a million each.

SOE is dying because of that piece of trash - enjoy the games while you still can.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 4:57PM xilr said

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Aaargh! Not fair, Smedley took my "why did you cancel" and twisted it to serve his purpose.
When I canceled EQ2, I *DID* indeed cite the cost of the subscription as my reason for no longer playing. But it was because the game was no longer worth $15 a month to me. That was NOT a request for F2P system which is an effective price increase. EQ2X Bronze/Silver is just a trial mode unless your in love with one of the handful of race/classes your allowed to be. A Platinum membership to EQ2X would buy me back the same functionality I had with a EQ2 Live Subscription. But the Platinum Membership is a PRICE INCREASE.

If EQ2 Live lowered its subscription price, or sold time blocks (20hrs of gametime for X$) I would buy it. But if the game isnt worth $15 to be its most certainly not worth $199 a year to me. And Im not interested in playing the highly restricted trial version of the game(EQ2X Bronze/Silver), as I have already tried the product and have formed my opinion.

Its decent. Not worth $15/m. Maybe $7/m. The trial version where I'm allowed to make a human warrior and equip trash gear/spells is worth [ -$50 ] a month. As in, if they sent me a $50 check each month, I'd probably do it.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 6:21PM (Unverified) said

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@xilr All-Access is the same cost as a Live subscription if you pay in advance. It allows you to play on all servers including Freeport with no restrictions as you are used to.
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Posted: Oct 1st 2011 5:14PM Wilhelm2451 said

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One of the best things about EQ2X is that there is only the one server, Freeport, so everybody who plays, plays together with everybody else. While I do not think that the additional cash shop items would really hurt the live servers (how many guild gatherers are already helping flood the market with crafting materials, for example), I think making the whole lot of live servers F2P would dilute one of the things that makes EQ2X great, that single server model.

Posted: Oct 1st 2011 7:20PM Seffrid said

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" I'm sorry. I categorize anything you say after that first sentence in the league of Palin, Bachmann, and Perry. Unbelievable hyperbole. "

That's your prerogative, Unverified, but if you go through life only reading half a point then you will indeed remain as ignorant as Palin!

I specifically said "what if" and "that may not be the case" and yet you react to my comment as if I stated it as fact. I can't really help it if you base your opinion of other people's views on only half of what they say!
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