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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 2:25PM Yellowdancer said

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Wow...I wonder if Vanguard will go F2P. Good for that community if it does. They have wanted F2P for a while to boost the popularity of their game.

Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:05PM smartstep said

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@Yellowdancer

It will ,it was almost confirmed in an article.
SOE putting some devs on it again and Smeadley talking about going generally into f2p area , just simple 2+2.

I can bet that VG will go f2p in next 12 months.

I can see it beign success as well , I mean business success.

I won't play it though.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:11PM Yellowdancer said

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@smartstep

What's funny is...I have had a station pass for 4 months and haven't played VG. Played all the other games though.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 2:33PM Ceridith said

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Vanguard going F2P would destroy the community, in my opinion. They should just shift more resources into development of the game, and it will grow on it's own.

Posted: Sep 28th 2011 2:59PM bobfish said

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@Ceridith

No subscription game other than WoW grows post-launch, no matter how much you throw at it.

The only way to increase the population is to go free to play like LOTRO did.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:07PM Ceridith said

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@bobfish

LOTRO didn't go F2P, it went freemium, there's a difference.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:10PM smartstep said

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@bobfish

Everquest did increase it subscriber base for almost 6 years from 1999 to 2005. Then it was old game and WoW released so it started to lose it but still good result.

Ulima Online had growth from1997 to 2001.

Eve Online had been growing from 2003 till 2010 , now it is more or less stable.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 8:45PM Furdinand said

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@Ceridith Can you explain the difference in a way that neatly places any "free" game into either the "freemium" or "F2P" box?
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Posted: Sep 29th 2011 4:19AM (Unverified) said

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@smartstep I think you just came across an MMO newbie who thinks WoW was the first ever. I bet WoW invented instancing too!

EVE not only grew from launch until 2010, it grew consistently, every quarter from its ~50,000 players at launch to a max of what, 350k?

Anarchy Online grew after its disastrous launch as well.

Anyone who would even think of saying that no MMO has grown after launch, has not been playing MMOs for very long. It's only been the cannibalization of frequent releases that slowed or stopped the growth trend.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:01PM Seffrid said

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"And yes, I asked for more information, but he's dodged better interviewers than me."

Nicely put :)!

A good interview/article Beau. But then, love him or hate him, Smed always gives good value for money!

I'll follow the VG developments with interest.

Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:07PM BigAndShiny said

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VANGUARD.
PLeasePleasePleaseRelaunch!

Vanguard is one of the few titles that could really 'compete' with TOR. Because TOR is a different type of game. Unlike say LotRO or Rift, where TOR and other games offer everything they have and more, Vanguard's sandpark gameplay has no immediate challenge, apart from the PvP asian import Archeage (which looks nice I must say) but is a year away.

As such, when EQ2's and DCUO's themepark gameplay is being iterated on and improved with TOR, Vanguard would be a good investment, because there is really NO GAME like it.

Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:12PM smartstep said

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@BigAndShiny

It will be released as f2p /freemium.

Well kinda defeat the purpose of playing it with this kind of model ,but if it works for you then have fun.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:29PM SnarlingWolf said

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Where are all these f2p haters turned f2p fans?

I am not picking up PS2 specifically due to the model they're choosing. If they did a subscription model like PS1 I would buy the box and sign up the moment is released. As it is, I will simply never touch it.

Don't worry, there are still plenty of us F2P haters around.

Posted: Sep 28th 2011 3:52PM Yellowdancer said

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@SnarlingWolf

The F2P hate crowd is shrinking. A few months ago people would be up in arms about a F2P blog post. Now people are more accepting. You can stand on the mountain alone and scream your hate for F2P. Personally, I will be playing PS2 while you're doing that.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 4:05PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Yellowdancer

Good luck with that. While you wait you should try the browser based Battlefield Heroes and get a good taste of pay 2 win FPS games.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 4:47PM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf I've become a fan of F2P but Battlefield Heroes is horrid. I'd rather play something like OpenArena instead.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 4:57PM DarkWalker said

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@SnarlingWolf

There was an interesting thread in DCUO's PC forums discussing the F2P model. Anyone who has the patience to read through the 40+ pages will see some players changing their opinion regarding F2P in the span of less than a week.

Those players, most likely, just never had a good reason to really consider what being F2P means. They reacted with hate to DCUO's F2P announcement, but after they had time to cool their heads and effectively evaluate what was really changing in the game, became neutral of the move, or even started to welcome it.

I guess, in a slower pace, the same is happening with plenty of gamers out there. They can't see how being F2P can be good for the game and, more important, to (paying) players. In time, they get to either try one or more F2P games, or simply stop to really think about it, and change their opinion.

BTW: I bet for every player that would really leave a game in disgust when it becomes F2P, there are at least half a dozen potential players just waiting for the F2P conversion to start playing. While it's a good idea for game companies to address the concerns of players that hate the F2P model, the F2P haters seem to be few enough that they shouldn't be able to block a game conversion.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 5:00PM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf
they've moved on to other sites that are more then an advertising board for crappy f2p games.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 5:26PM Ehra said

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@SnarlingWolf

"Good luck with that. While you wait you should try the browser based Battlefield Heroes and get a good taste of pay 2 win FPS games. "

It's funny, for all of the people that complain to no end about "pay 2 win" I doubt a good chunk of them are even good enough at the game for it to be an issue.
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Posted: Sep 28th 2011 10:45PM Bladerunner83 said

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@SnarlingWolf

" Don't worry, there are still plenty of us F2P haters around."

Yeah, like me. It makes life easier when the only MMOs you need to follow are subscription based, which is thankfully limited to a few good games. While the opposing argument for F2P is, "there are AAA quality games in the F2P community;" only after you filter through hundreds of low quality titles. Top quality is the only thing that keeps a subscription game alive, and that's all the reason to stick around. Subscription all the way baby! A trend that will never die, its everywhere, your phone bill, cable TV, insurance, the list is unending. LOL, I would love to see an insurance company with a F2P business model, (you only pay a onetime fee for specific items on an insurance plan), sounds like a good idea for the customer, bad idea for the company.

Even though I'm a F2P hater, it's a model that works with lower quality games and it is only fair to remove the subscription cost for the quality received. If people think that subscription gaming will die out, take a look at UO, DAoC, WoW, and the upcoming SWTOR. UO and DAoC will close the game down before switching to F2P. WoW on the other hand could eventually transition over to F2P, when the game drops below 1million subscribers, or in the mists of the release of Titan; even then they will probably charge a subscription for Titan and lower the cost of WoW to peak interest, and to run cooperatively with one another.

As a F2P hater there is no way that anyone is going to convince me that F2P is the future. There will always be one game out there that will support subscription gamers like myself, and according to history that one game will be better than the hundreds of F2P titles available. People can deny it all they want, but history repeats itself.
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