In a recent dev diary, Undead Labs' Gronk gives us a first-hand perspective on a trip he made to the Nevada desert for Burning Man. Why is a vacation travel log news for MMO fans? Well, mostly because the experience was written up with post-apocalyptic survival in mind -- a topic that Undead Labs will be tackling in its upcoming zombie MMO.
"At Burning Man, real-world currency is largely useless... much like it would be after a societal collapse," Gronk writes. "Would you want to trade the food you need to survive for some green paper? I sure wouldn't."
Reading a personal experience like this leads us to believe that the Undead Labs zombie MMO will have a heart -- a rotting, putrid, maggot-infested heart -- but still, a heart.
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Reader Comments (17)
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 5:49PM augustgrace said
@Vestas
I disagree. I think they took a stinky hippie fest and got something positive out of it. I don't think you can find a better example of an apocalyptic world than watching a bunch of far left pseudo intellectuals live out their fantasies.
I disagree. I think they took a stinky hippie fest and got something positive out of it. I don't think you can find a better example of an apocalyptic world than watching a bunch of far left pseudo intellectuals live out their fantasies.
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 9:01PM Vestas said
@augustgrace
Possibly, but burning man full of its "stinky hippies" tends to far more passive than a real post apocalyptic world would be. People tend to be friendly, all about "sharing with the common man" and generally aren't afraid they could die at any moment. Nor are they in any way worried about who might be "infected".
While I understand the intended parallels of survivalism, burning man really isn't about survival. Assuming you arrived in a vehicle with enough gas to leave, there are plenty of options within an hour or twos drive to solve any near problems of starvation, or lack of commercialism. The article makes some valid points about efficiency and self reliance but burning man is in no way = post apocalyptic future. Burning man tries harder to be more about utopian ideals. And we're not even discussing the ridiculously large quantities of drugs involved with burning man which for many is the real reason to go.
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Possibly, but burning man full of its "stinky hippies" tends to far more passive than a real post apocalyptic world would be. People tend to be friendly, all about "sharing with the common man" and generally aren't afraid they could die at any moment. Nor are they in any way worried about who might be "infected".
While I understand the intended parallels of survivalism, burning man really isn't about survival. Assuming you arrived in a vehicle with enough gas to leave, there are plenty of options within an hour or twos drive to solve any near problems of starvation, or lack of commercialism. The article makes some valid points about efficiency and self reliance but burning man is in no way = post apocalyptic future. Burning man tries harder to be more about utopian ideals. And we're not even discussing the ridiculously large quantities of drugs involved with burning man which for many is the real reason to go.
Posted: Sep 13th 2011 2:26PM Anatidae said
@augustgrace I have to agree. An excuse for a trip to a huge party.
The reality is that we have been using currency for thousands of years not because we value a coin (or green paper) more than the food we are selling, but what that currency represents in trade.
If Burning Man was endless - you bet currency would be used really fast. After all, if you need a new shirt, are you really going to bring all your spare food with you in hopes something might appeal in trade to the tailor? Or are you going to sell your food to the people who need that food for currency and then easily carry the currency with you to buy those new clothes you need.
If the developers want to feel what it is like after a social collapse, I think there are plenty of war-torn and poverty stricken places they can personally go to understand what really happens. Going to a big party in the dessert... really?
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The reality is that we have been using currency for thousands of years not because we value a coin (or green paper) more than the food we are selling, but what that currency represents in trade.
If Burning Man was endless - you bet currency would be used really fast. After all, if you need a new shirt, are you really going to bring all your spare food with you in hopes something might appeal in trade to the tailor? Or are you going to sell your food to the people who need that food for currency and then easily carry the currency with you to buy those new clothes you need.
If the developers want to feel what it is like after a social collapse, I think there are plenty of war-torn and poverty stricken places they can personally go to understand what really happens. Going to a big party in the dessert... really?
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 5:49PM Emily Diehl said
I wanted to clarify that Gronk's trip was not company expensed, nor was it a research trip for the game. Several of us went down there on vacation and wanted to share our experience with a post-apocalyptic perspective.
Also, the post is accurate -- anyone that attends Burning Man can attest that it's intentionally not commercial, and that there are no vendors (aside from the two mentioned in the article).
Also, the post is accurate -- anyone that attends Burning Man can attest that it's intentionally not commercial, and that there are no vendors (aside from the two mentioned in the article).
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 5:57PM (Unverified) said
Could you provide a link to the article/dev diary that you're referencing please? :)
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 6:00PM (Unverified) said
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 6:07PM ShawnSchuster said
@(Unverified)
At the bottom of the article, it gives a link to the dev diary.
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At the bottom of the article, it gives a link to the dev diary.
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 6:01PM slickie said
Make the game.
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 6:24PM Irem said
My mom went to that this year. She keeps trying to convince me to go with her. The fact that I'm the one grumbling about people and expenses and blah now and she's the one rattling off about art and expression and all that makes me feel indescribably old.
I think I'll go waste some time on a video game. :/
I think I'll go waste some time on a video game. :/
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 7:22PM ryandbc said
Good stuff. Burning Man is on my list of things to attend one day, if not next year. I've been to a couple similar festivals, and one "hippie" festival. All brand new to me, and the experiences have been really amazing. Certainly a renewed perspective on having a good time. And a lesson in being more open minded, as I was scornful of most of that kind of ish, growing up on punk rock, and later succumbing to games like Everquest, being an SK and hating those hippie Druids ;)
Posted: Sep 12th 2011 10:38PM HokieKC said
I have no idea what I'm looking at but this game sounds awesome.
Posted: Sep 13th 2011 12:46PM Space Cobra said
I am only interested in this if we can make our own "Burning Man" in-game and wheel it toward enemy factions or zombies, whichever comes first!
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