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Posted: Sep 10th 2011 5:26PM ChaosInc said

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Although I hate to admit it, Death and Taxes from WoW is the only "big" guild that comes to mind.

Posted: Sep 10th 2011 6:39PM Graill440 said

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The question that begs to be asked, would guilds even exist in their current form (i do not state, NOT exist) if devs hadnt implemented the mechanics they did way back when in EQ and Asherons call?

The devs created guilds, no one else, publishers by right of game mechanics were the pushing factor in making folks join guilds to access the content they were so proud of. They did this on paper and on the computer.

What would have happened if the first MMO's were truly left to player devices and not the forced direction the game mechanics pushed them.........all that lost drama. Heh.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:10AM StClair said

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Yes.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 2:49AM Haldurson said

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I've told this story countless times, because I can hardly believe that it actually happened.

Way back in EQ, I was in a guild for a couple of years that was fairly successful. The guild leader was a young woman who was really generous and one of the nicest people around.

What I didn't know was that the guild leader's rl husband was another friend of mine and guild leader of a different guild. He also was a really nice person.

My guild leader, at some point, had secretly started an rl affair with another player from her husband's guild. That person switched to our guild and was made an officer (but no one knew about the affair). He turned out to be extremely obnoxious, would verbally abuse other guild members, etc. Several people complained, to the guild leader but she kind of just said that there was some kind of honest misunderstanding.

There was a mass exodus from the guild. The guild leader pleaded with me and others to come back, her boyfriend and she had left that guild to start a raiding guild, but her alt was going to stay as leader. . But by then I had spoken to the husband later on, it all came out that he was married, he knew about the affair, etc. We were all too angry to come back.

The guild didn't totally die, but almost no one wanted back in.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 3:44AM OutThere said

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Any time my guild dies, it's hard. When LoTRO first launched I was in a guild that quickly became the major guild on our server. A nice, helpful, friendly bunch. But it soon became apparent that our kin leader was an alcoholic. He kept getting reprimanded for his confrontational conversations in OCC, and then got slammed with a ban. We soldiered on, with quite a few drifting away. He managed to finagle his way back into the kin and back into a leadership role. It was his kin afterall. Then, in a drunken fit one night, he disbanded the kin. Our kin house and all our stuff in it vanished. It was one of the most pathetic pointless, arbitrary acts of destruction I ever witnessed. A shocking moment. Suddenly, kin chat disappeared and we were all in OCC asking, "What just happened?"

People wonder why there are so many solo players in MMOs, but when I talk to solo, unguilded players, they usually have a story and a very good reason why despite the built-in disadvantages to going it alone, it is still preferable to the guild experience.

Posted: Sep 12th 2011 2:28PM Djinn said

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@OutThere Sounds like the guild I was in. A bunch of us were taken in by another guild that also ended up in drama.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 7:30AM (Unverified) said

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Well, the only real guild experiences I've had are in WoW. And the biggest one was the most recent one, which happened somewhere in the May-June of 2011.

So to give you a back story, I used to be in a casual guild with a group of friends that I know through my Uncle, and they raided casually on Friday nights, (this was back in patch 2.3) so we were messing around in kara. On saturdays and sundays however, this tank would pull me in to do 25 man content, and I really enjoyed seeing new stuff. But I get burnt out easily, and hop mmo's a decent amount, but I always go back to WoW (or did) after a couple months of enjoying different lore and graphics. So after one break, I think the release of AoC I came back after a couple months, and was back into the swing of raiding with this dude on the weekends. After a while, he propositioned me to transfer my account with some of the other people to a different server. We did, things were going good, for a while. This dude is also a 50dkp minus kind of guy. But we didn't use dkp XD

That is until I was put in the second raiding roster doing stuff I've already seen, and playing with their alts. That was the start of the down fall, but I made no mention of it, because I was "happy" raiding. Then after I get burned out on failing Blood Prince's, I take a break. I come back and their is no more second group, because some people left, and the main group is on Sindragosa, where I think I should have been. So I play for a while struggle to get a second group going again, doing the same stuff. No real progress, until they had me swap out to group 1 for a couple weeks. Then some serious stuff goes down with the guild leader and the main tank (they are in a relationship) and she wanted to move to be with her mom and he went with her.

They were gone for 6 months, of little contact. So the guild died down, I left the game because I didn't like the current leadership. They come back after the 6 months, and were like we're going to get it back together! So we get our core back together, and pug the rest, and fail. GL and MT go off to a pvp server to roll alliance, to test the waters on a different server. Blindly I follow, and transfer my main on the condition that I mainly do pvp and in the group 1. So we go and go and go for 2 months and recruit our best, and finally, FINALLY get 10 people to raid with.

Now take note, we got to Cho, Alakir, and nef. Also take note that I had finals that night (this is where it went down) 2 finals, and had to take a friend to his house, and see if my GF and I could move in with him and his mom, because we were going to get kicked out. Now also take note that I was given the night off of raiding, I get done with my finals late, I take my friend home, call the main tank because she lived with me for 3 months, because the GL broke up with her. Her and I don't get along. So I call the MT, said I'm not making it to raid tonight, and hung up.

I get home, log on said pm or call if you need me. And start to read joystiq, ign, and facebook, and play league of legends with some friends. Not a single word was said to me. A week goes by and no raid invite, I ask one of the other members if they got theirs, they said yes. This member tends to be a back stabber btw.

I asked him if he thought the guild would be ok, if I took 3-5 people that were good raiders, and were tired of dealing with the drama of the guild. I'm also on vent with him, and I'm typing in LoL to him, the GL is on the same channel as me and the other guy. So the other guy tells the GL. GL says some not so happy things about me, and the other members. And I'm like "Hi guys, what's going on here, I've been here the entire time." other dude defriends me immediately and logs off. The GL and I have a long discussion about everything, and basically says to me "The others aren't happy with your attendance, your schedule, and our performance". Well I attended every night of raiding except that night, I even cut class hours for it, just so I don't have to hold up 10 other people and make the wait, my schedule is based around my work, and I considered my self a darn good holy priest.

I sent in game mail to everyone, that I would have expected this to come from, and got told the exact opposite, and in fact some of the others play other games with me, so I basically boiled it down to the GL, MT, and the other guy. that just didn't like me for some reason.

And I'm also down $340, because of the MT's rent she owes because I paid it for her, and actually going out to get her. 560 is a lot of gas money.

Needless to say, I don't take raiding seriously any more, I prefer more casual raiding just to see new stuff, and pvp. I've also adopted a new philosophy on gaming. PVE = should be fun, not stressful no yelling etc.,
PVP is where the yelling should be.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 7:30AM (Unverified) said

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Holy crap didn't mean to wall of text you guys.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2011 10:34AM ElfLove said

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Notice a trend here?

Yep...Raiding....

I'll be so glad to see it fade away, from newer generation MMOs.

The era of 'raid or die' is over.

Posted: Sep 11th 2011 8:51PM LaughingTarget said

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This one was entirely my fault, and I still have no idea why to this day. But, its going to take a tangent first.

Back before EQ launhed, I formed a guild in Guild Vault called Elven Lords. I somehow managed to get enough members by launch to use their old ask a GM process to form it. I was 17 at the time and was in leadership roles in RL, so I figured this would be a good fit.

The main theme of the guild was elves only, I guess I was a pioneer of the faction system that games use these days. However, when we started, it just languished. I had no idea what I was doing. EQ didn't exactly have a lot of goals other than getting a higher level. I was the leader, but I was more of a fixture than anything else. No one was much higher than the low 20 level range and I was level 20 for most of a year. I just couldn't get into killing gators in the Desert of Marr, so I mostly just logged in to chat and be a general cheerleader. We later picked up a level 30 wizard that was in the original Guild Vault pre launch roster who I booted because I didn't realize his e-mail had two underscores and it rejected when I tried to confirm. (the__knight@....not going further if he still has the e-mail)

Anyway, about that time the faction PvP servers were announced and this interested me as there was some kind of goal beyond sitting in endless lines waking your turn to kill a mob in a dungeon. A guild I can't remember the name of was being formed by some lady in Montreal and I was asked to join because I already had a similar concept guild. I was given an officer positon.

Maybe a month into the server (it was a bit of a disaster, but we stuck it out) the leader decides to leave the game and promotes me to leader. About the same time my Dad was downsized at work and maybe a month later found a new job that required a lengthy move.

To keep the guild from being in a lurch, I explained what was going on and promoted another officer after asking who wanted it then putting it up for a vote. I transferred leadership and apparently screwed up and also quit the guild in the process. I didn't know that until I logged back in a few months later.

I come back and notice I'm not in the guild and ask an officer on at the time if I was kicked out and he said I quit. I mentioned it was a screw up on my end and was re invited as a regular member. I had asked to be returned to an officer and had no interest in taking leadership away from the current guy.

Thy asked me to hang out in the server selection chat while thy discussed. After about 1.5 hours I heard nothig and private messaged the leader what was going on. No answer and the private chat was shut down. I logged into the server and asked again in guild chat and was immediately accused of betraying the guild for leaving. I basically said if thy weren't interested in reinstating me as an officer they could have just said so before wasting 1.5 hours of my time because I don't care enough to get emotional over a video game. I guess this caused a rift when other members saw they strung me along for an hour and a half and a ton just up and quit. The guild ended up disbanding.

The silver lining happened when I went back to Mithaniel Marr and found the Elven Lords had become a reasonably karge ajd succesful guild since I turned it over to another officer. I realized that I was not cut out to be a leader in a video game. I lacked the passion to get emotionally invested into something that had no real world impact and didn't have the desire to invest hundreds of hours in a video game. I held back the guild I started and inadvertently destroyed another.

Since then, I've been content to be a no name member and have refused all leadership positions offered. I'm not suited to the leadership role when there isn't any kind of real world impact to worry about, and it ends up making members under me enjoy the game less.

Posted: Sep 12th 2011 2:49PM runzwithsizzorz said

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In a lot of cases you can tell when a guild is a serious one or not. If they kick you after 2 weeks of inactivity, with no notice from you as to why, then you are out. I have 2 WoW toons on different servers, and their guilds have since disbanded but the guilds never closed. After a long hiatus from those characters I came back to find I was the only one left in those guilds. I also found out that its kind of peaceful when other players see that you are in a guild and do not bother to ask you to theirs, whether you are the only member or not.

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