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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:27AM xBludx said

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I agree with the first part of what you said. I would just go back and play Skyrim or fps, or whatever and be done with mmorpgs.

I don't want to say anything about riff-raff, though. I don't know who all plays ftp and I don't want to judge them. There are plenty of riff-raff in p2p.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:31AM xBludx said

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...and possibly I missed your sarcasm about the riff-raff, if that's what you intended, so excuse me if I'm a bit slow on the uptake.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:35AM (Unverified) said

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@xBludx

:D
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:39AM Acharenus said

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@xBludx There is some truth in the second half of his comment too having played almost all the f2p games out there atm, there's definitely some...unique people and a definite absence of official moderation.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:45AM DarkWalker said

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@Acharenus

I've seen much more griefing in WoW's (P2P) forums and chat channels than in LotRO's (F2P).

Those might be the exceptions, though. Most other P2P MMOs I've played have a less... insane... community than WoW. Though about half of those have already turned F2P, or have announced the conversion for the near future.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 12:35PM smartstep said

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@DarkWalker

both WoW and Lotro are kinda exceptions.

WoW has like worst community almost from beggining , also becasue of it's populatrity

Lotro when it was P2P it had one of best communities in all mmorpg's , maybe SWG or Vanguard has similarly good one.
Now after F2P transition is worse , but still good well becasue those f2p that came just were faced with nice community that was created before and there were not enough new players to change whole community.
Though imho it is getting a bit worse, on some servers bree local chat or glff is awful :/
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:36AM Xilmar said

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Neither model will die any time soon. The prices might change, tweaks will be made, but both payment models will be kicking and screaming for the next few years.

It's easy...a AAA mmo will have a sub because it just makes sense for a player that likes the game, the universe, the devs, etc. to pay a little bit each month for it. It's a fixed rate that can be worked in just about any budget, and tbh it's cheaper than a night out drinking.

Smaller games, or the ones not as good, will have problems keeping people interested for a long time. So if it's free anyone can have a go at it and pay if and when they feel like it. It might not provide a very stable income for the company, but then again that game might not be around in 1 year, who knows.

Basically both have good and bad parts. But the awesome thing is that the 2 business models work great together for just about any player. Most of us play 1-2 sub MMOs on a regular basis, but have a couple other ones installed on the HDD, which get fired up maybe a couple hours a week or something.

tl;dr both models work great alone and together, so no one's dying. It's just a way for news sites to spit out articles on a slow day imo.

Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:41AM Acharenus said

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@Xilmar I think that's what makes guild wars 2 so appealing at least to me, it sits outside the norm.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:49AM Lucidus said

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@Xilmar That depends on if that $15 is viewed as worthwhile. Does Game X have an update schedule that makes it worthwhile, or is that sub fee just sucked into the publisher's money palace with very little reinvested in the game?
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:27AM Averice said

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@Acharenus

Still waiting to see what kind of cash shop GW 2 has.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:41AM DarkWalker said

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@Averice

Most likely similar to GW1's own cash shop, removing some things that won't make sense anymore (PvP skill and gear unlocks, Hero slots) and adding a few extra cosmetic things (those transmogrification stones, for example).

If I'm as pleased with the game as I expect to be, I'm planning to earmark $10-$15 per month to spend on it's cash shop, just to show support for the game.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 3:01PM hereafter said

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@Lucidus

Even if it's not worthwhile, it's 50 cents a day. That's a size up on your daily coffee, not a huge investment. Somehow people have got it into their heads that subs are expensive, but 50 cents a day for a quality game (especially with as much time as these games suck up) is a steal.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 8:43AM Lucidus said

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Sony, EA and Activision are going to play chicken on that for a long time. I'll say Activision/Blizzard will be the last one standing. Never underestimate Bobby Kotick's greed.

Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:02AM Yellowdancer said

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@Lucidus

Its going to be EQ. They're numbers are strong and even increased recently. Its the only major game that can't be converted to F2P because of the limited technology. SOE even doubts EQNext will draw people from EQ.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:06AM Fabius Bile said

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@Lucidus
if he gave up to greed, he would be F2P by now...seriously, how can you not understand that F2P is all about greed? its making people pay a lot more than $15 for things that we take for granted in any P2P game
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:48AM jakofascalon said

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@Lucidus Made me lol.

Honestly, this is a really hard question to answer because of the opinions of other players. Some people, like in the first part of the comments, think F2P or Freemiun should die a horribly torturous death, while some people simply can't afford the $10-$15 a month to play. Think about all the little kids that you know play some of these F2P or Freemium games. There's a reason they play... because they have no money.

On the other hand, I've seen in games like Guild Wars where their parents bought them the game because it was a one time fee, and now they troll the byways of Guild Wars chat. Look no further than Kamadan, to which every Guild Wars player has renamed Spamadan. Though to be fair, Guild Wars and the upcoming GW2 are both in a league all their own when it comes to F2P vs P2P. Also, games like WoW are the same way, especially with the free to level 20 model they have incorporated.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 11:19AM Ocho said

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@jakofascalon

Have you heard of Barrens Chat? I have been playing both FTP and sub games for a long time now, and I don't see a real difference in their communities. P2P games have elitists and trolling jerks. FTP pretty much just has trolling jerks, but their quantities are similar. You'll find undesirable players in both types of games, just as often.

And as far as paying $15/month... I know its not a lot of money (movie ticket for one, dinner out for one, 2-3 drinks at the bar, half a tank of gas, etc)... but it still always comes down to whether I'm getting my money's worth out of it. For most sub games out there, I don't think so. It translates to about $.75-1/hour for me, as that's the time I have to play them some months. Worth it? To me, not really. That's why I lean more towards F2P. One time fees, no time constraints, and I get all the content I want.

Not ONCE have I ever paid more than $15/month on a F2P game. I usually drop $5 - $10, and that lasts me a couple of months. F2P is just more convenient to me and makes more sense. Is it for everyone? Nope. Is P2P for everyone? Nope. So really, its not about what they are selling (sparkleponies, a dagger, potions, stat tomes, etc.), but who is buying them. The people who WANT to buy power, are the biggest complainers about F2P, the people who BUY power don't care what you think, and the people who DON'T WANT to buy power and don't mind those who do, they don't care either.

tl;dr: Jerks are in EVERY game, and $15 is a lot of money, if you're not getting anything from it.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 6:55PM Valkesh said

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@Lucidus
That doesn't make sense. You realize that the F2P model is the most "greedy" of the two right? P2P has to continue to produce worthwhile content to get people to continue to play and fund the company. F2P does fuck all because they can get by dumping $20 costumes into the cash shop (for which the game has been entirely geared around and throws in your face every second you play) or pushing out boost items or rental items you can't legitimately play without. Play nearly any F2P game on the market and spend only the amount you typically would on a sub each month, and see how much content you actually get and what the experience is like...
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Posted: Sep 9th 2011 4:41AM blessedswine said

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@Ocho for you a game like Everquest 2 would come in handy they have a new sub model that cost 5$ a month and allows you to play for a certain number of hours or some shit. think its called gamepass.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2011 9:05AM Paradigm68 said

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Neither WoW nor EvE meet the criteria of "traditonal" anymore as both have cash shops.

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