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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:17AM Samruai Sue said

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Great article! You used the two things sub + cash store supporters hate the most: logic and common sense.

I kept a close eye on Secret World only to be disappointed with virtually every decision (gameplay, sub model, etc.) so far.

I for one am joining le resistance in not supporting this business model!

Posted: Sep 3rd 2011 3:39PM GMickey001 said

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@Samruai Sue
Yes, the resistance lives!!!

Hopefully to put an end to ingnorance everywhere....
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:19AM GrumpyGnome said

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Great Post Jef, I agree on so many levels.

MMO's have devolved to point that, honestly, I hardly consider them MMO's anymore. I personally feel the genre is already dead, and all we are seeing are its last throes. It's not a player base issue, there are plenty of players out here, but it's a developer issue.

It reminds me of the same thing we saw in the 1980's with american car makers. They were so used to the general public gladly paying for the crap they sold, that they had forgotten how to create a quality product.

Greed and Laziness rarely produce anything good.

I'm an older gamer who remembers quality, and understands it's value. I'd happily pay $100+ for a boxed/limited edition game, and $30/month for a subscription. Unfortunately, my money is not important to the Devs. Why would it be when there are so many sheep willing to be so easily fleeced with the cash shop model. Oh well.

I just cancelled all of my SOE accounts, after 12 years of paying for every EQ expansion, and then every EQ&EQ2 expansion, plus my monthly fee for 2 accounts in each game. I refuse to pay for what the games have become. I will always love them, but sometimes you just need to move on.

Back to single player RPG's for me. >:(

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 11:42AM Crestfallen said

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@GrumpyGnome
No reason to go back to single player rpgs Grumpy!

GW2 is incoming for one, but even beyond that there are alternatives.

DOTA-likes play much like RPGs and they are "free" (you can unlock all the characters over time buy playing the game, but you can buy new ones with cash if you want)

Also, Borderlands 2 is on the way and there will hopefully be more and more games like Borderlands coming. It plays a lot like an MMO, but you can just play with your core group of friends. (avoiding the often abrasive mmo community)

When you're trying to lose weight, you shouldn't starve yourself; instead look for better foods. I think the same thing should apply to our gaming habits.
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Posted: Sep 3rd 2011 3:55PM GMickey001 said

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@GrumpyGnome
Im with ya Grumpy...

+1 what you said...
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:21AM (Unverified) said

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The cash shop model is here to stay. For every one person that publicly decries it, there are 10 people using it.

Those that don't like it are a vocal minority.

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 11:04AM Utakata said

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Evidence please. Or you're just trolling out of your *bleep* flaps.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 11:52AM Crestfallen said

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@Utakata

Lol, he's using internet statistics. (IE. Whatever some idiot makes up, they can pretend to be true.)
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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@Crestfallen

Yah, you're right. They don't do it because it works. And makes them a ton of money. They just do it to piss some whiny nerds off.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:16PM Utakata said

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@Crestfallen

Yeah, I gathered that. The same statistics that is used to grading peeps comments here as well...goes along way to explaining it's ridiculous inconsistencies.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:34PM Vorender said

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And the other 90% prove that there is no hope for mankind's future as a species.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:22AM MaddZ said

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Canceled my WoW sub when they started charging for features they normally would have implemented in the next patch.

Canceled my EVE sub when monocle-gate kicked off.

Now I'm playing torchlight, which I got for my birthday and never got around to playing. Not the most complex game around, but its fun, well designed, and best of all CHEAP!

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:28AM rockman0 said

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I don't really have a problem with cash shop + items. I've never even had a problem with "pay-to-win". I can understand why a lot of people do, but I never have. Maybe it's because I don't PvP.

I've played tons of F2P games with everything in the cash shop without ever buying anything from the store. The only times I've ever gotten a cash shop item before is when I won it in a contest or something. Even then, it was only a costume or other cosmetic item.

I play City of Heroes. Up until a couple of days ago, they also had a cash shop. But I've only bought from there once because of certain costume piece I wanted. And even then, I didn't feel like it was necessary to buy it.

I plan to play SWTOR and any other MMO I may come upon the same way.

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:56AM psycros said

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@rockman0 : up until a couple days ago? Did they get rid of it?? That would be a miracle. If not for all the bugged powers, excessive lag and the fact that paying a sub doesn't unlock all the content I'd probably still be playing CO. Hmm..well, I guess that pretty much means I wouldn't be playing even if they yanked the pay-to-win part. But still.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 12:58PM StClair said

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@psycros
The cash shop has been suspended, pending the conversion to a hybrid F2P model (which I'm sure some will say is exactly what's being criticized here).
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 2:39PM rockman0 said

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@psycros I meant to reply earlier, but I couldn't find your post.

But yes, as StClair stated, they have been put on vacation, so to speak. The plan is to allow people to buy each part of a set separately, instead of paying 10 bucks for the entire pack.

for instance, you can buy a certain hat you want from the Steampunk booster without buying the whole booster. It's really easy too.

But yeah, I didn't make it clear. The cash shop wasn't terminated completely. Obviously, they still want that extra cash potential to remain.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:29AM Rodj Blake said

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Some good points, well made.

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:29AM Existentialist said

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I did quit. I quit Everquest II, I quit EVE online. I fanboy EVE online constantly on this site but in the end it went the way of the cash shop so I quit it.

I have stopped playing MMOs because we are paying the same price for less. You know what makes the most impact to companies? Making your voice heard. If you, one person, quits MMOs, they don't really care. If you write an article on massively about how the gamer is getting screwed, well now they might care. Bad press plus sagging profits, now they have to care.

I predict that there will be a few games out there like Darkfall and Mortal Online that stay sub only, but most of the mainstream games will feature cash shops, even my precious EVE online, and I will not play MMOs any more til I can find a decent one where I'm not going to be nickel and dimed for content. This is one person who stands by their market principles, even at the cost of some really good games. Really though, they did it themselves. If the whole market no longer has interest in my money, then so be it.

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:32AM NvrDie said

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People are posting blindly defending MT.

Do they not read the artical!

Helloo.. Its about MT in a SUBSCRIPTION game.


Not an anti MT campaign.


BLIMEY

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 10:35AM (Unverified) said

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This is what I like about the Guild Wars model. Everything there is stuff that is not a necessity for the average player. The costumes are different, but aren't a great leap in quality from the ones you get in-game; AND they are available to every character you own. You get a ton of storage for your character normally, and inventory stacks well. Extra storage is necessary only for those who farm at high levels, and even then, most areas have a merchant in the instance. Finally, there are no "win items" that get you through the game any faster than anything else.

The most unique, desirable items, in fact, can only be found in-game, such as the most desired unique weapons or minipets. This for a game that is buy-to-play.

This makes what AoC, Turbine, and ToR are doing BS, pure and simple. I will check out some sub titles, and f2p titles, but subs with a cash shop? Nothing the devs could do, even making a game with the graphics of Aion that performs at 60 fps on a Pentium 3, is worth that fleecing.

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