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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 10:07AM Dril said

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"If you're looking for PvP gameplay ideas that are new and different from the status quo, you'd best look elsewhere."

Methinks if anyone was still looking for this in TOR after the announcements that it was a BioWare, story-driven MMO they were pretty much deluding themselves and getting set up for disappointment.

Posted: Aug 30th 2011 3:28AM RedWolf said

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@Dril Not to mention the bazillion times they've said they are not planning to reinvent the wheel. I don't understand why reviewers are "underwhelmed" with something that has been tried and true for the past six years.
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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 11:08AM (Unverified) said

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I agree expecting EVERYTHING in a new game to be innovative is just ridiculous.

I am waiting for this in the next review of SWTOR "What pixels!?!? We have already seen games filled with pixels since the 1980's"

Massively needs to add the ability to vote down a story. This one would be off the page if they did.
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Posted: Sep 2nd 2011 6:08AM (Unverified) said

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@RedWolf

The problem is severe with this SW TOR.

NO cross server BG's and NO cross server instances ?

Game will be dead after the huge wave will pass the 2 months launch.

How is that for "the same" of 6 year old.

WOW has cross server gameplay since mid 2006.

Ever since 2006 new MMO's died because of the lack of this feature.

This industry has written "fail" all over it. Developpers fist.

Whydidn't they copy the THINGS that NEEDED to be copied: people want to play now instead of waiting for 1 hour to spawn a BG ...

No one was waiting for NPC talkies either.But since that I knew SW TOR was single realm based as ... an instance loader.

Dear God, they DID bring in those ex WAR developpers after all.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 10:10AM MMOaddict said

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Just once I would like to see an opinion from someone who isn't craving innovation with every new game they play and is looking for a FUN, FAMILIAR and again, FUN game to play. They are games not evolutionary technology.

I'm not against innovation, but time and time again I've seen too many negative opinions that revolve around this facet and I'm tired of it. Rift's Warfronts feel exactly the same as WoW's BGs, but guess what? I like them just as much because I have an idea as to what to do when I get in them. I'm glad it will be the same with SWTOR but with Star Wars skin. I can't wait.

Posted: Aug 29th 2011 10:17AM fastcart said

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@MMOaddict

How about opinions that say "not innovative" as a con one day, then "feels familiar" as a pro the next for a different title? I'm not accusing Matt Daniel of this, but I just find that even more annoying.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 10:42AM jealouspirate said

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@MMOaddict

To be fair, I think it's a pretty important point to make about a game that is being released. Massively is trying to help us as consumers understand the product so that we can make informed purchasing decisions.

Some people might like more of the same, but some people might not want to spend their money on something 'familiar' when they already own other games like it. The reviewer here also takes the time to explicitly say that the familiarity issue is really personal taste. I think you're being a little to hard on the author here.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 11:53AM Larry Everett said

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To be clear, Massively reporters are not paid to have have an opinion one way or another. It is strictly against our policy accept gifts from developers.

On a related note, one of the reasons I enjoy working for Massively is the variety of opinions. Each staff member comes from different backgrounds in gaming, and we are a very interesting mixed group of people. This gives the site flavor and a spicy read every time one of our reporters gets his or her hands on a game.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 11:55AM (Unverified) said

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@Larry Everett

This is a great site for that reason! Well said!

To each is own....
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 12:07PM Jef Reahard said

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You do realize that "unbiased" reporting is a myth, yes? The initial act of selecting the subject of an interview/report/opinion piece carries an inherent amount of bias.

Here's your "unbiased" SWTOR article:

I played SWTOR at PAX. It had PvP. You can play it on release day. The end.

Not really worth reading, is it? Journalism, whether of the gaming variety or the more traditional type, is all biased. It's biased based on the subject matter chosen, it's biased based on the reporter's particular perspective on the events, and it can acquire another layer of bias when filtered through the editorial process.

Some reporters are more objective than others, but "unbiased reporting?" It doesn't exist.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 12:19PM jealouspirate said

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The title of this article is says "hands-on impressions". It is very clearly an opinion piece and makes no secret of it. Now just because this person isn't thrilled with the PvP it means he's somehow a corrupt journalist who is getting paid to bash the game? Come on, get real.

As far as SWTOR innovating in the story department, well that's great but not really relevant here, eh? This is an article about their "warzones" and the mechanics of PvP.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 1:11PM (Unverified) said

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@Larry Everett Good to know. The clear lack of fact-checking doesn't change my opinion of the writing though.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 3:41PM Sean D said

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@MMOaddict

Just as you are tired of "too many negative opinions that revolve around" innovation, I am tired of playing different MMOs with the same mechanics. Doing so evokes the same feeling I get when I read a book that has obviously plagiarized the plot progression or characters of an older, more established novel. Look at all vampire crap - books, TV, movies, etc. - right now for a real-world example of what I'm talking about. At the very least, it's uncreative.

If we're going to get better MMOs in the future, it's up to the MMO game consumers to demand that MMO developers push the envelope, at least a little, with each iteration. If we demand it, developers will be obliged to answer. To do anything less will lead to stagnation in the genre.

That being said, I think Bioware has fulfilled their obligation to innovate. SW:ToR looks to be the biggest game out-of-the-box to date, their attention to story is unparalleled, and the entire game is voiced.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 5:42PM (Unverified) said

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The guy clearly hasn't played the Hutball PvP arena.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 7:39PM Bezza said

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@MMOaddict

I agree, but likewise I think it's good that any potential pvp gamers recognise that SWTOR is not going to be some evolutionary leap in pvp mmo gameplay.

They will have less grounds to whine if they know and understand that SWTOR is about the 'story' and the 'immersion' of the universe first and foremost and that number crunching, stats and pvp take a lower priority.

At least i hope so :)
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 8:39PM Loki1 said

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@Sean D

The points you make that i completely second are invalidated by that man's central point, being that videogames are things unworthy of experimentation. You just play some casual junk until you do more important stuff like, i'unno, washing your awesome new penislooking car.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 11:35PM Bramen said

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@Jef Reahard
Quote:
"Here's your "unbiased" SWTOR article:

I played SWTOR at PAX. It had PvP. You can play it on release day. The end." -Jef Reahard

"Some reporters are more objective than others, but "unbiased reporting?" It doesn't exist." -Jef Reahard

Wait... an example of unbiased reporting was given... but it is an example of something that doesn't exist... which, *Facial tick* means that the example itself doesn't exist... *cross eyed* or the example itself brought about the existence of unbiased reporting... which paradoxically was brought about because of the reporters bias that unbiased reporting doesn't exist... *HEAD EXPLOSION*

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Posted: Aug 30th 2011 1:07AM Graill440 said

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@Jef Reahard

That hit a nerve. Nice to see you defend your Op's report, loyalty is a good thing.

Your other statement, that unbiased reporting doesnt exist is a falsehood, it does exist, it a bit harder to type things and be careful what you type, but it can be done, and with practice become a norm. I will concede alot of folks cannot write unbiased pieces, but there are some folks fully capable of it.

Over the years i have even read an article or three on Massively in which bias never reared its ugly head, not often but it happens.

As for the article, it wasnt anything special but it certainly wasnt bad either.
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Posted: Aug 29th 2011 10:13AM Oskiee said

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In before all the "this is AV!!!11" (or AB what ever.)


Honestly, i dont see how you change the format of pvp any more. These kinds of multiplayer battle scenarios have existed since before WoW, and will exist after WoW and SWTOR. Huttball is CTF, just done a little differently(a little bit of Warsong and a little bit of tribes, in my opinion)

Everything anyone is going to come up with has been seen and done before. So instead of complaining about it, deal with it, and have fun. Or dont play it.

Posted: Aug 29th 2011 10:15AM Oskiee said

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PS, the only real con i see is the fact that you cant discern Classes, that is going to be a bitch.
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