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Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 8:09PM nathanb said

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nice write up

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 8:18PM Nephilim said

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I've got two coming in the mail! I managed to get in on the deal an hour or so after it started on Friday. Even then, I was unsure till now if my order was going to go through or not. I'm planning on porting over Android when the Touchdroid project releases a beta. While I agree the MSRP was a little too high, I really like WebOS. It's just a shame there aren't too many good apps for the platform.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 8:27PM Beau Hindman said

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@Nephilim When you get em, let me know what you do with em and how you like them. I'm interested to see what people can make em do!

Beau
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 8:41PM (Unverified) said

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there were tablets before the ipad. apple just made them popular or more mainstream. like what blizzard did to MMO's sort of. i don't know much about the decision but i think hp just decided to stick what they do best and they dumped the rest.

Posted: Aug 24th 2011 8:37AM Kerbion said

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Actually I have heard that HP isn't sticking to what they know best (hardware) apparently the CEO wants out of the hardware game.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 8:47PM Surloc said

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I'm one of the sorts of people that bought a nook just to hack it, and I'm sorry I missed out on buying one at $100.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 9:18PM Beau Hindman said

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@extispex I appreciate the link, but no matter what Gizmodo might say, I would never think that every person who buys one knows how to get the most of a pad that was already received poorly, even by the very site you linked:

"You're stepping on my dreams, HP. The TouchPad is so close, closer than anything else, to being good. But it's also very, very far from it. Look, give this thing six months. It could be amazing. If it's not by then, well, I guess that says everything that needs to be said."

Notice he said "Give it six months." Meaning that it isn't horrible (which is what I said) but it needs updates and tweaks. Sure, is it worth 100 bucks to certain people? Yep. But not to everybody, by far.

Beau
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Posted: Aug 24th 2011 11:27AM WheresWinPho said

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@Beau Hindman Seems like a strong opinion to pass off as fact. For $100 dollars you wont find a beter piece of hardware. It performs perfectly fine. I would be great to go the PlayBook route and grant access to android app store. Still a great device that takes care or the basics very well. It also runs Flash.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 9:23PM (Unverified) said

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I just have no use for a tablet at all, unless you count my kindle. Not digging the smudgy screen and limitations the ipad brings along. I rather play on my thinkpad when I want mobility. On which I can actually play the kind of MMOs this site is reporting on.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 9:29PM myr said

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My mother got a 32gb one through work for testing purposes, before the discontinuation/price drop (she's an IT manager, was evaluating it for her company). I got to play around with it for a while.

Worth $500? Hell no. Worth $149? Definitely. Especially if we can get Android on it soon... but even before then it's worth it alone for ebooks, internet, and basic applications. Never mind that webOS doesn't, and won't, get many apps developed.

Apparently HP is still producing them too, at least with whatever parts they have left over from their initial purchases. So if your stores are sold out now they might still get another shipment in, if you're lucky.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 9:54PM (Unverified) said

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There's a project out there to try to get Android running on it called TouchDroid (sounds dirty). If they can do that, then it will be a good value.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 9:54PM real65rcncom said

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Sensing no one is going to actually admit they bought one for $500 when we all know SOMEONE did...

Well, at least people who paid the $500 for them before can now claim they only paid $100 just like everyone else will claim too when they get caught with one. /wink

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 11:03PM Averice said

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The only reason apple owns the entire market is because only apple fans would bother paying for something so worthless. They aren't buying a product, they're buying a brand. That's why no one else is going to make any money off the hardware portion of the tablet market.

Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 11:25PM (Unverified) said

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@Averice apple makes good quality products. they wouldn't be where they at if they aren't. i wouldn't call an ipad or anything they make worthless.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2011 12:22AM Aetrix said

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It's the same made in china PCBs and silicon as you'll find in all the other mobile devices, only more locked down and closed off, in a fancy aluminum case, for twice what it's worth. I'll take 2.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2011 12:23AM Pingles said

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@Averice

If it weren't for MMOs my PC would never be turned on any more.

For everything else I use my iPad.

Perhaps it doesn't fit your computing needs but it fits mine perfectly. I even write fiction on it.

And I'm a PC guy. I've built my own since the 486-66. I have never purchased a Mac and chose an iRiver MP3 player over the iPod back in the day.

Don't have to be a fan boy to appreciate a good product.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2011 12:15AM Aetrix said

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Apple is good at making some sexy looking hardware and loading it up with software that's easy enough for your grandma to use. That might be good if you're a grandma. But if you're a developer, tech enthusiast, or just don't like being told what you can or cannot do with things you've paid a small fortune to own, you're going to get sick of Apple in a hurry. Beau, your attitude that nobody should even try to compete in the tablet space is disheartening. Competition is what drives innovation, and even without HP there are already some very good alternatives on the market.

Posted: Aug 24th 2011 12:57AM agitatedandroid said

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@Aetrix

I'm sorry but your claim that "developer, tech enthusiast..." would get sick of Apple holds no water. None. And, you know it.

Oh and to whoever it was that claimed Apple is just using the same commodity parts... You're dreaming.
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Posted: Aug 24th 2011 9:48AM Aetrix said

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@agitatedandroid

Samsung Galaxy Tab uses a nearly identical processor as the Apple A4 (iPhone 4, iPad) http://www.pcworld.com/article/198330/samsung_mobile_devices_have_same_chips_as_apple_iphone_ipad.html

Apple A5 chips (iPad 2) are made by Samsung as well... http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4213981/Samsung-fabs-Apple-A5-processor

The collective total cost of iphone 4 components are $188. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2010/tc20100627_763714.htm
This includes a display by LG, and the wireless radios by Broadcom are also used in a variety of non-apple devices. The back plate of the iPhone 4 in my pocket (I am soon to be an ex-owner) says "Assembled in China" at the illustrious Foxconn facility, a company formerly known for its poor quality of their PC motherboard products, and more recently for their poor working conditions and employee suicides. (Try searching Wikipedia for Foxconn. I'm not allowed to post any more links.)

As for developing...

First off you're technically allowed to write software on any computer with a text editor but in order to compile the required signed code you need to use an actual Mac. That's strike 1.

Once you've compiled your code you cant even load it on your own iPhone to test it until it clears the app store. The vast majority of developers are forced to jailbreak their phones to get around this stupidity. That's strike 2.

Once submitted to Apple, you wait weeks to find out if it's "approved" or not. If you're a large company that competes with Apple on some level, it's almost a given that apple will employ any of the following tactics a) delay your approval for an arbitrary amount of time, b) declare that your software violates some guideline of their ambiguous approval rules, c) invent new ambiguous approval rules (see b). On a whim, Apple can decide to deny or remove any piece of software by anyone from their app store, which, mind you, is the ONLY place to get new software on a non-jailbroken device. Strike 3.

Once that app gets approved, apple takes a 30% cut of all sales. They also take a cut of all in-app purchases, and a new stipulation says they take also take a cut of sales from outside websites linked to from inside an app, forcing companies like amazon to remove convenient features from their apps. Strike 4.

Good thing we're not playing baseball.



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