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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 12:33PM agitatedandroid said

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I'm sorry, Jef. I keep trying. I played AoC way back in the open beta leading to launch. I played post launch. I hung in there as long as I could. I've re-upped a subscription at least once a year since then. I even picked up Godslayer.

The reason I don't play AoC? The other players. There's never been a time that I've logged in and wasn't greeted by some of the most hate-filled profanity laden nonsense in my chat box.

AoC may have matured but its community hasn't.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 12:39PM Ardanwen said

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@agitatedandroid Solution: disable global chat.

Problem solved ;).

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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 12:47PM MMOaddict said

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@agitatedandroid
Agree 100%. Worst community I have ever experienced.

About the article...I found the combat tedious and annoying and only enjoyed the caster classes. But that's just me.

What makes the game not work for me, is how dull the whole leveling experience is. They really should have capped the game at 50 to start instead of 80 and the AA system is a joke. It's all about time invested. When they had announced AA I thought it was going to be awesome and supplemental from level 1 or 10, just like EQ2. It isn't and it sucks.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:08PM Jef Reahard said

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@agitatedandroid

No worries mate, I don't get paid if you play, lol. As someone mentioned below, though, disabling global is more than likely the cure for the community stuff. I used to rant about it too since I need to use it occasionally for PUGs, but with the amount of solo content that's really not even necessary any more.

I'm playing EQII pretty heavily of late along with AoC, and Antonia Bayle's community is no different. You can't go into global without some sort of racial, religious, or political poo-flinging contest springing up within 15 minutes of your arrival.

I've taken to avoiding public chat in all of my games, and I've found that it makes all of them feel that much more old-school, enjoyable, and immersive.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:31PM Ardanwen said

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@Jef Reahard I just put Global Chat in a different tab that I only open when I need it :). Makes life so refreshing!
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:35PM Sean D said

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@Ardanwen

Disabling global chat doesn't solve the problem, it just conceals it. The community remains what it is.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 2:19PM Ardanwen said

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@Sean D Global chat is hardly a representation of the AoC community in general. There's thousands of people on each server, yet only a small part of them actually uses global chat and the ones trolling it are even fewer.


The AoC community is not worse or better than that of any other popular MMO on the market. Enable a global chat in LOTRO or WoW or... and you'll see the same stuff happening as in Age of Conan. Turning off global chat is simply like a giant ignore button to ignore all the rotten apples on a server in one go ;).

What matters when you're playing an MMO is the people you actually play with. Your guildmates, your friends, allied guildmembers, ...

When I play with people outside of my "own" community, I've had both good and bad experiences. Like I have them in every other MMO. I'm not going to say that the AoC community in general is a loving, caring, friendly and helpful bunch. It isn't. But it isn't a hateful, mean, unfriendly and unhelpful bunch either. It's somewhere in between.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 2:56PM Space Cobra said

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@Sean D

This is true, but let me offer two points:

1) Let's "Meta-think" this : All games are an illusion of sorts. We sit in our chairs and pretend we are whatever, from aliens in a distant world to barbarians in an old land. You can escape into games to not think about real-life for a time. And sometimes, you have outside stimuli anyway, like family talking or the TV on while playing, but you can ignore it. At least, there is a "mute" button that you can press in-game to not deal with it for awhile.

2) I may turn off global, but only when I don't feel like reading whatever they are spewing on there, but it is not permanently off. I am optimistic and I know there are people out there that ain't all bad. And let's face it: I assume we have all been online at 2am or so and the mind and chat just can drift toward OOC. That's not a bad thing IMHO, you can joke and just gab: That's just part of human nature and community. There are some nice diamonds out there among the coal. But yes, the search can be daunting and one needs breaks from it.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 6:31PM SalmonofAges said

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@agitatedandroid I would agree about some of the language - it's appalling in some cases. But I also agree about just using the ignore function or closing Global off. It's easy enough. Having said that, some of the characters in Global are hilarious. I often ignored people, then found my self wondering what they were posting, as I could still see others replys lol.

@ MMOaddict Well, if you don't like the combat, I don't know what to tell you. That's a main difference between AoC and other one-click and spam games. Unless you roll a caster of course - they are more traditional (if you want to call it that).

@ ShivanSwordsman Pretty much what Ardanwen responded. And I still can't get over these people whining about the F2P. What the heck do they expect for paying NOTHING? Everyone wants a free luch these days it seems. It must be a burden to feel so entitled to everything for nothing, eh?
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 6:59PM Celtar said

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@agitatedandroid

Going to have to agree with Agitatedandroid. I can work with many of the other issues that I don't agree with or don't like about AoC due to the things I do like about AoC. The cap on the bottle for me is the player base, though. Some of the ugliest immature, racist, homophobic, ultra trolling that I've ever had the displeasure to have to deal with repeatly in online rpg gaming over the past almost twenty years.

Like Agitatedandroid I've been there off an on since the start, including buying expansions, mostly due to the fact that I "want" to support game companies so that they can continue to make games I like. The players are the issue and in the end the main reason I don't stay.

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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 7:02PM Celtar said

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@Jef Reahard


Jef, really sad to hear that Antonia Bayle's game population has gotten worse, I always enjoyed my time there with some of the people I used to game with back in the Simutronics Gemstone III days who had migrated there.

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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 7:28PM Jef Reahard said

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@Celtar

I still enjoy myself there due to my guild and the friendly nature of most PUGs. Tbh bad community is everywhere, not just AoC or EQII. It's part of the price of going mainstream.

Easy enough to avoid it though.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2011 10:58AM Checksix said

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@agitatedandroid
My experience, too.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 12:46PM ShivanSwordsman said

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Top 6 reasons to avoid this game like the plague:

6: It's Funcom. Seriously. Look over these boards, their board, everything. It's customer service horror stories abound. They're a poor man's Activision, to pay these people reward them for being terrible to their customers, and likely to their staff as well.

5: 80 Levels. You're coming to the party pretty late. Expect to grind, a lot, and for a lot of the content to be barren until you get to the end-game.

4: The Community. Most are a punch of punk armchair jockeys that think they're almighty barbarians of death and destruction. Until their mommy makes them get off the computer to take out the trash.

3: You are a third world citizen if you Free to Play. While some games cut their expansion content if you don't pay, this game cuts out several base ones, quests, and requires you to buy passes for end game content, be it PvP, or PvE raids, and you only get access to 4 of the base classes.

2: There are better games out there, and they will TREAT YOU BETTER. Even if you don't subscribe, the company that made the F2P movement popular in the West, Turbine, will GIVE YOU Cash Shop points just for playing their game. DDO gives it in the form of favor, and LOTRO gives it in the form of finishing deeds. Funcom gives you nothing.

1: Even as a subscriber, you are STILL less of a human being to them. You STILL need the cash shop for certain aspects, and even then, you only get 60 points per month.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:30PM Ardanwen said

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@ShivanSwordsman

Sorry but you're just being the troll Jeff described in his article here :)

- I've had no problem whatsoever with their customer support.

- If you're grinding in Age of Conan you're doing something wrong. Up to level 70 there is more content than you can do on one character without outlevelling the zone. Not to mention how fast levelling in Age of Conan can go ;). 70-80 does go a little slower, but grinding? Not really. In some zones you'll more often curse Funcom for having too much quests so that your questbook is full instead... Barren? Not really :).

- I certainly hope you do not talk like that in global chat in the games you like, because else I fear for the community there! :)

- You're getting access to virtually -all- content prior to level 80, with the exception of a couple of dungeons. You don't need to buy questpacks like in LOTRO, all quests are available to you. The only zones (and thus quests) that are blocked for free players is the expansion, which is also something that other MMO's do ;). You should be grateful you even get to play at all.

- The AoC F2P system has its flaws, but the Turbine system certainly has its own flaws as well.

- You don't need to buy anything in the shop at all. There's stuff that makes your life easier, but there's nothing you actually need. It ain't going to give you an edge over players who don't buy stuff.

Finally: wether it's Turbine or Funcom, they both want your money. I have seen absolutely no difference in them treating their customers differently though ;)
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:41PM Jef Reahard said

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@ShivanSwordsman

I can't really argue with you on points 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6, as they're personal preference (and I even agree on number 1).

When it comes to number 3, though, I have to ask. When you get a free meal, do you complain if it's not a filet mignon or prepared exactly the way you like it?

Me personally, I just say thanks when I'm given free stuff, and I'd be embarrassed and/or ashamed to demand more.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 2:56PM Plastic said

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@Jef Reahard

"When it comes to number 3, though, I have to ask. When you get a free meal, do you complain if it's not a filet mignon or prepared exactly the way you like it?"

If I have 10 different free meal options vying for my attention, then yes, I might bring up the fact that the fillet is overcooked.

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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 5:06PM ShivanSwordsman said

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@Jef Reahard

No, I dine elsewhere. Kind of like how the people sick of the price changes from Netflix are moving over to the Redbox. I'm not asking for a free flipping ribeye. I have no mind of some of the classes being sealed off, or some of the raids and such being closed off to me. But give me the ability to buy it, at a decent price. Have sales, make the buyer in me go "oh man, crazy deal!".

With Funcom, you're either a sub, or you're just playing an unlimited trial. There's no reason to play unless you're going to sub, you CANNOT DO END GAME/PVP CONTENT AS A FREE PLAYER. You cannot get ANY of the end game content unless you pay PER RUN. Thus, I'm left to say to Funcom, thank you, but no thank you. Besides, if I want PvP, I'll play Bloodline Champions, one of the best PvP games I ever played (second only to Guild Wars).

Another Funcom game yes, but so far they haven't screwed it up... yet.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:05PM (Unverified) said

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best game out there by so far, you cant even imagine ;)
If you ever have experienced Kithai hardmode dungeons, you just cant go back to your former game.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 1:35PM Darkmoone said

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I wonder if Jef gets a percentage off the people he recruits for AoC. MMO's are too trendy for this game to have any type of chance.

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