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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 6:27PM smg77 said

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As long as there are hundreds and hundreds of bots operating in the drone regions there isn't going to be a reason for anybody to mine anywhere else. I would love to see people who enjoy mining and industry welcome in nullsec but as it is now it's so much easier to buy everything you need in Jita and jump it to your nullsec home system.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 9:57PM Kalex716 said

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@smg77

Yep! Its totally bull. And on top of it. its even super funny cause the CSM broke news earlier this month how they want to move good ore out of wormholes as well, which happens to be the only place in eve people CAN'T bot mine with success!

In wormholes, death can come at any time, and punishes those who are not operating with smart awareness and people watching your back. Not to mention the logistics, and math and planning wormhole operatives have to do to just to pipe the stuff out of the holes.

The only changes i'd appreciate in the industry/mining sector are ones that are bundled up with aggressive policies and features that discourage botting in all capacities. Put the power back in the hands of the people that can stomach it. Let them get paid for their real time.

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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 2:38AM halfcaptain said

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@Kalex716

The current CSM is pretty notorious for its unabashed nullsec love, as well as its apparent ignorance to the state of wormholes. I'm with you when it comes to giving wh systems some love; I lived in a C5 for a little over a year and enjoyed it thoroughly. There is no better place to make serious coin while honing your probing/d-scan/pvp skills. I gather there was some immediate backlash when the removal of ores from w-space came up, so I doubt that will actually happen.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 6:31PM EdmundDante said

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I'm all for improving the game including nul-sec. But improving nul-sec by nerfing hi-sec makes no sense to me. Instead of removing capabilities from hi-sec such as ice mining and/or T2 production - why not expand nul-sec capabilities - like new T3 ship production and/or new types of mineral mining? Or even expand the types of stations and POS's that can be built.

Most of what I saw proposed in the original dev blog - seemed as if CCP was shifting around resources - mostly from hi-sec to nul-sec, while low-sec gets no attention at all. It's as if Eve now is to center completely on nul-sec, and those players who have worked hard in hi-sec, building their standings in order to run a hi-sec research POS, doing the runs to get datacores to built T2 components or even ships - and doing the arduous and monotonous ice mining to supply fuel for hi-sec POS's - these Eve players are going to be shafted only to make hi-sec players and their power hungry Alliances happier.

IMO the more challenging game design would not to be to take away from hi-sec players what they have already built up - but expand nul-sec more so that it becomes more enticing to players - especially the more endgame - older veterans in the game. To me it would be far more exciting to introduce new kinds of warfare or ships in Eve for nul-sec. Try thinking bigger than just nerfing hi-sec to make nul-sec better. Expand - become innovative - do something for nul-sec without screwing all the other players.

Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 6:51AM Luftwaffles said

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@EdmundDante

^This. At the risk of getting bitched at by the hardcore players.. not everyone secretly wants to be out in nullsec space. And taking capabilities away from highsec/lowsec producers is just going to lose them players.

EdmundDante has the right idea.. how about adding *more* capability to nullsec without stripping the fun from other areas of the game?
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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 11:46AM EdmundDante said

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@Luftwaffles The current dynamics of hi-sec manufacturing seems to me more realistic. Why would manufacturers set up shop in more dangerous warzones?

I would rather see new manufacturing expanded in low or nul sec. How about the much discussed drug/booster manufacturing? Why not revisit this game mechanic and make it more integrated into the game and valuable - and since it is more on the illegal side - a good candidate for expansion in nul-sec?

Clearly Capital ship production is primarily a nul-sec endeavor. Expand on the Capital ships. Introduce a new PvP mechanic along with a new Capital ship. Shake up the current PvP system by augmenting it. When was the last time CCP took a serious look at enhancing the PvP system? I've seen a lot of fixes. A lot of tweaks and balancing tweaks. But how about some new game mechanic - such as Capital ship boarding and capture? Or perhaps new area of effects weapons - such as low-level AOE webifiers - that slow down multiple ships within the vicinity of weapon - or an AOE sensor booster ship, you get the idea.

I also think that when they finally expand Incarna - making Stations more involved in gameplay - they should have some inter-station logistics system set-up. Where players can make inter-station transfers of some goods by paying prices - then waiting for a set amount of time and the goods are transfered from one station to another ... without you having to go out in a ship every time and fly 10 - 20 sectors.

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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 6:51PM Graill440 said

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Nice article about the past, it will never return unless the devs bring it back, and EVE is to far gone for that with its horrible choices and vast community of miscreant trash.

In most working societies you have folks at the very least trying to do the right thing, further the game, expand the game. EVE is a draw for closet sbags and actual criminals. Those few players that try to carve a place for themselves in EVE are among the vast minority and they play in a cesspool of miscreant waste. The devs watch, and laugh, and help only one side by taking no action.

People have no further to look than the CCP devs in the type of person they advertise for to populate their game. The intial intent of EVE was spectacular, had the right vision, but due to weakminded CCP devs and them making stellar choices and influencing and helping the worst in EVE, the game has degenrated down to what it is today, abyssal trash, where the vast majority of news you hear about this game is how more players used out of game mechanics to laugh at the devs and screw more folks out of their time. A few of you folks might want to look into real legal advice, consultations are free in most cases.

EVE is a monthly gruel of the worst gamers around causing the title to fester in the name of their right to do it. The silver lining? At least they congregate in EVE and likely no where else in these numbers due to the Devs.

A 27k monthly login average this year is telling, and no amount of hype can spin past that.

To to the real fans of EVE, those that fight the good fight, i type this, when even the devs are against you its time to move on. I loved the game for 4 years from the start, but that 4th year was telling, and a portent of things to come and the changes and attitudes of the devs, they did exactly what i knew they would, they chose a side. Its time to cut those ties and make the CCP devs pay, if ever a game deserved to die a quick painful death, it is EVE. Let the past go, it will never return. At least not while these devs are in charge.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 7:16PM Krelian said

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@Graill440

U mad bro ?
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 7:30PM (Unverified) said

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@Krelian

he's real mad bro
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 7:36PM PrimeSynergy said

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@Graill440

27k monthly average? Over the past month, there's been about 40k+ people logged in daily at peak hours...

And what's with people 'rooting for the fail'? In my mind, you're pratcialy saying, "YEAH LET'S PUT A TON OF INNOCENT PEOPLE OUT OF WORK BECAUSE I'M ANGRY!!!!!" Either play or don't play, but don't wish for people to lose their jobs.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 7:39PM EdmundDante said

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@Graill440 He definitely seems pissed.
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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 11:36AM Calfis said

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@PrimeSynergy

He obviously failed to 'get' eve and was really unsuccessful/bad at the game, hence he urges everyone to quit.
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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 12:12PM GS14 said

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@Graill440

This is the truth. For some reason EVE brings out the worst in its players. In my old alliance a guy scammed someone out of close to 100 B, I thought the alliance leader would kick the guy out, instead he accepted some of it as a donation to the alliance. I tore that alliance apart from the inside, and he's still clueless. Now he's started a new one with me, and if I see the assholery get too bad I'll rip it apart again. See, assholery can go both ways.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 8:11PM Doran7 said

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I broke my commodore 64 out the orher day remembering the "glory days" of gaming on an 8 bit computer. I was so excited to show my daughter the all the neat games I used to play. I got it all booted up and we sat there looking on.. when my daughter says, "dad, you must have been desperate - I'm going to go play wow."

Things in the good ol' days were hardly ever as good as we remember. The Null Sec I remember in the good ol' days was riddled with exploits and gate camps.. It was an elite boys club where only the huge existed. the mining expeditions into null sec were tiresome..and took forever. when you did set up out there you did anything you could to minimze that extreme distance; because you cxouldn't sell anything there in null sec at the time, you were forced to truck your good to market in trains.

when we got carriers and cyno which were rather short jumps by todays standards we had long chains of cyno alts opening a path all the way to high sec.. nostalgic? yes.. fun.. it was a pain in the butt.

Yes, there should be new (additional) minerals and methods of mining.. yes, new products should be introduced, but no leave the stuff in high sec alone. I can't imagine having to buy t2 crud from null sec whenever I need it. the prices on theses items would go bonkers.. and if you nerf high sec no one there will be able to afford any of it. Add to the game don't take away..

I do believe POS's should be hardier and be the way most are forced to live in null sec.. outposts are too common and too easily built. Finally, I think there needs to be a new layer of space outside null sec., "outer black" with fewer planets and fewer moons... no outpost building ability.. and freaking huge danger.. with new incredible riches to be had by new methods .. by fighting man versus nature and man versus man risks to gain them.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 8:41PM EdmundDante said

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@Doran7 Cool idea - an outer black area with crazy danger. I agree with your points. Lets see CCP create new stuff. Not rehash the old. I want to see NEW STUFF in Eve. New ships. New space stations. New outposts. New places to go!

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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 9:08PM Xilmar said

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yeeeeeahhhh

it's disgusting how much isk you can make in a week in high sec. 1 bill without fucking around with market prices, just by doing some industry and solo missioning a couple hours a day on average. And this is as close to 0 risk as possible.

Gotta admit, i came a little when first reading about the ideas for null, especially when it came to mining. Would love to be able to blow the year old dust off the rusty exhumers and actually make some isk, not have it be a bit of a waste of time.

Anyway, not a big fan of the comet idea, never have been. A decent size mining op has it's problems, even without having to move around in space all the time searching for new comets. Maybe it's just me, but the best time mining was on late weekend mornings, hungover and talking shit on comms.

Comet mining just doesn't sound like it offers such a good/relaxing time. If 0.0 industry/mining is supposed to be the best income generally speaking, it needs to be most effective in large numbers. Having belts around planets with a lot more minerals (or higher end asteroids) and something like T3 (T2++) crystals for faster extraction in those belts might boost both isk and op sizes, while still keeping it more laid back than pvp.

All in all, the ideas sound cool and hopefully the implementation will be good. Just hoping that mining won't become even more focused on passive moon mining, but rather a common activity within corps and alliances of all sizes.

P.S. if nothing does happen, i hope they at least put a mining rig in the game. 1 is not that much to ask for, really.

Posted: Aug 21st 2011 11:37PM Raffi256 said

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@Xilmar

I'd love to know how to make 1 bil a week in high sec.
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Posted: Aug 21st 2011 11:41PM Brendan Drain said

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@Raffi256 To be honest, that's not too difficult to get. Mission-running in an average manner with one character can net over 30m/hour. You'd make that 1b in 7 days at 5 hours per day. If you can only manage 20m/hour, that's just over 7 hours per day. It's a LOT faster if you play the market and do a little industry in the same time, but it's definitely possible to just grind your way to a lot of ISK.
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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 1:12AM Doran7 said

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@Xilmar"" it's disgusting how much isk you can make in a week in high sec. 1 bill without fucking around with market prices, just by doing some industry and solo missioning a couple hours a day on average. And this is as close to 0 risk as possible.""

This is a lie! I mine in high sec almost all day long every day.. with three accounts and perfect skills. I make just over a billion in one month.. if I work extra long hours I can make that in just over 3 weeks. Also hulk ganking in high sec is something of a sport happening more otfen than you'd think.. saying that it is risk free is wrong,

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

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Posted: Aug 22nd 2011 1:34AM smg77 said

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@Doran7

Stop mining in highsec and run missions. As long as the botting is allowed to continue in the drone regions you'll never be able to compete with the russians--they can almost give the ore away because they are producing so much of it.
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