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Posted: Aug 13th 2011 12:16PM gamebynight said

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I've always been curious when reading about things like this, is there any easy way for them to convert the ISK to real money, or is the dollar value thrown around for comparison?

Posted: Aug 15th 2011 8:30AM SpencerRuler said

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@gamebynight For comparison.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2011 2:38PM Paradigm68 said

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Dear Capsuleer,

I represent a Minmitar prince who has passed away recently and our records show...

Love it.

Posted: Aug 13th 2011 3:10PM Xilmar said

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hehehe

was waiting for this to start. they did a good job spamming locals with that crap, it was fairly obvious it would attract noobs.

anyways, *raise hat* to them. not for the isk, that's just numburz. but they do deserve a round of applause for acquiring so many tears.

wouldn't do it myself, but that doesn't mean smart people like that don't get my respect.

Posted: Aug 13th 2011 3:14PM Cannyone said

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And this is WHY I can't raise the slightest interest in Eve... Mind you I tried it way back when was first released. But it only took me a few months to realize that CCP was at least slightly shady. And that being said, its only natural for others to scam when the Developers are like CCP.

Posted: Aug 13th 2011 5:26PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@Cannyone

Really? This is the reason you can't be interested in EVE?

Just because some noobs fell for a simple ponzi scheme and a vague reference to that old t20 incident?

Surely you must know something we don't know about CCP's shady past? C'mon mate, spill it? :-)
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Posted: Aug 13th 2011 5:39PM Jorev said

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I don't respect EvE Online for being a RMT MMO, the ability to buy time cards and trade them in-game for isk.
I do however respect EvE Online developers for allowing legitimate in-game thefts and deceptions to exist without interference, by not placing morality judgements upon them.

As an extreme example to the contrary, I was banned from Istaria for legitimately purchasing items that some veteran players would list on the NPC vendor, below their value, in an attempt to aid newbies, a subjective judgement that I perceive as dummying the game down.
I was told that these items were placed there for newbies and I was being disruptive by purchasing them and reselling them for a profit.
True story, amazing as it sounds.

Posted: Aug 13th 2011 8:30PM tubamaista said

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A lot of what i'm reading on these comments are OH EVE SUCKS WHY WOULD ANY GAME LET PPL DO THIS TO OTHERS??!!!
WELL...
there is a VERY simple mechanism in eve that keeps the large majority of pilots from falling for them...
using your brain. :)

Posted: Aug 13th 2011 8:32PM Cannyone said

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@SgtBaker
From the Start CCP made a big deal about the Economy of Eve... Then they proceeded to manipulate that economy by giving certain corporations preferential treatment. At the same time I heard from the rumor mill (which I didn't know whether, or not, to believe - but later turned out to be accurate) that CCP staff were themselves involved in "In-Game" thefts and deceptions. Which I don't think should happen, because its violates my sense of fairness. (Its like a database admin at Blizzard "creating" gold to sell for RMT, then researching who is participating in RMT and selecting who should get the ban hammer.)

Posted: Aug 14th 2011 3:03AM Brendan Drain said

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@Cannyone CCP employees are not allowed to be involved in thefts, deceptions, alliance politics, corporate leadership or any of the other power player roles of EVE any more. They have an internal affairs department that investigates everything employees do in the game and has the power to potentially get someone fired. From the few chats I've had with CCP employees I got the impression that the internal affairs department is real and very scary.

I personally believe they should be allowed to do whatever they like in EVE. It's actually a big problem that they're not allowed to be alliance leaders or power players, because it means they have no recent experience of those parts of gameplay. Development has not been focused on the power player or leadership roles in a long time, and I think it's directly attributable to that company rule.
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Posted: Aug 13th 2011 9:45PM (Unverified) said

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So, it's not fun AND you get ripped off? Pass.

Posted: Aug 13th 2011 10:55PM Kyzgar said

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Everyone has their own definition of fun. It's a sandbox, so you really have to make it fun yourself anyway.

As for the scams, I haven't fallen for any since I started playing in December. It's really very easy to avoid them, since you don't even see the chatter once you move away from the newbie systems. The fact that this was news-worthy is the exception, not the norm.
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Posted: Aug 14th 2011 12:12AM Anatidae said

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I always think that these "scams" are not scams at all in the beginning. Rather players who really think about creating something big and cool. Only, after a while, they realize it is a lot of work with little real-world payoff so they do what everyone would do - quit.

Of course, if you quit running a bank and don't give the money back, suddenly you are a huge scammer.

However, that said, there is no way they would have gained so much if it didn't operate as advertised at some point. Hence, the reason I think many scams start with good intentions and end up cons.

Posted: Aug 14th 2011 2:23AM Stellar25 said

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Why don't they let people be cops in this game?

Posted: Aug 14th 2011 4:08AM Calfis said

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@Stellar25

Because the cops will screw you over too, just like IRL. Except it will be a lot worst because it is EVE after all :)
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Posted: Aug 14th 2011 6:25AM Stellar25 said

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I still like the idea of players being cops. Then the news stories would be about how corrupt the police are.
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Posted: Aug 14th 2011 4:42PM Calfis said

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@Stellar25

Meh Stellar, it would be too hard to implement. How do you decide which players get to be cops? What if too many want to be cops? Can the cops reel in other cops? What if you have too many spoilers join the cops and ruin it? Its better just to have NPC Concord.
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Posted: Aug 14th 2011 5:19PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@Calfis

And to certain extent, there's the bounty system, that was supposed to act as a sort of a "police" function.

You can, if you want to set a price bounty on someones head. The bounty is collected by killing the said player.

Unfortunately quite often the bounty is collected by the said players alt.
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Posted: Aug 14th 2011 4:21AM Quinnthalas said

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Is it just me or are we actually legitimising and glorifying the scamming and theft of virtual property?

ITs ok that these guys took many many hours of another persons time and effort and cashed out is it?

They are to be congratulated or something?

I dont play Eve and stories like this just remind me why.

Posted: Aug 14th 2011 5:53AM Calfis said

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@Quinnthalas

It was a lot of people so we don't know how much "time" was stolen from most of the victims. It could have been 15 minutes worth of isk for all we know. I was thinking of dropping 10 mil myself just to "test" like they say in their corporate bio but obvious ponzi scheme was too obvious.

As the game is setup now it takes Social Darwinism to the extreme. They are to be congratulated for being some of the "fittest" in the cold harsh universe that CCP envisioned. Its difficult to understand if you are used to themepark games where everybody wins and no one can lose. But you have to think of it like a good fight and give props to the other guy for one upping you when you lose, because what is really helped by spewing anger at them?

Its EVE everything is a fight, you win some you lose some. Take it in stride and move on, its really the only way to survive in a very niche game. The challenge and danger of dealing with and deciding to trust other human beings is part of the fun. Put people in nature and see what happens. Why can't more MMOs do this?

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