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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:35PM remeran said

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@Faction 3

I disagree completely. I for one am a huge sports fan and not an avid raider. So naturally if my team won a championship I'd be exuberant, but that doesn't put the notion in my mind that people who think it's comparable to raiding are wrong. I mean, watching sports is a hobby of mine just like MMO's. If someone loves raiding as much as I love sports, why can't they be just as excited when they beat the lich king as I was when the Phillies won the world series?

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:36PM Bladerunner83 said

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@Faction 3

" Yeah...or if he thinks taking down the Lich King is great, he should try Vagina. "

You dont even know the guy, he could be gay. Is it really nessesary to attack somone that has a different opinion than you?

Taking out the Lich King as a world first is not an easy task. There was one guild that used an ingame bug to cheat, just to be the first to down him.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:49PM Bladerunner83 said

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@Faction 3

I'm not a fan of football, I don't follow it and I have no interest in it. But I do agree with you to some extent; raids are nothing compared to a World Cup Championship victory. You have to understand that his favorite hobby is playing WoW. Yours, I'm going to assume is a football interest. I find raiding more entertaining than a football game, and that makes me a fucking nerd? If that's the case, then meat-head sounds like a good nickname for a football fanatic.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 7:04PM (Unverified) said

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@Bladerunner83

" Yeah...or if he thinks taking down the Lich King is great, he should try Vagina. "

ROFLMFAO!!!!

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 7:29PM Sinystrad said

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I have not watched this and I am not sure I will. It might cut far too close to home. Like many of you I have been playing MMOs since UO. I was addicted. I am in fact an addict…Honestly… it is not easy to type. I just got caught up, I was massively into PnP games, I even owned a store and we ran games. Those are some really great memories. EQ improved upon UO and that’s when I really got hooked. My wife enjoyed playing as much as I did so we were neglecting no one because we had no children. Looking back now, I see how emotionally committed we became to our guilds and eventually raiding. It is embarrassing.

WoW was so good and our guild so successful my time spent in game became insane and much of my time out of game was spent dealing with guild issues and preparing for raids. Posting strategies, helping guildies improve their builds. Making mod lists and install guides for the computer illiterate. Helping guildmates through their RL problems so they would be stable raiders and on and on and on. All I had to talk about was WoW. Then I got into PvP and organized those teams. I cannot even admit to how much time this ended up being. It makes me sick to think of myself back then. I know ALL the arguments that can be made to justify it. I made them.

My wife’s pregnancy saved us. Our desire to be good parents outweighed our desire to play. 1st we shattered our guild and broke off into a 10 man guild that only raided late, after our child went to bed on weekends. It did not interfere with work or our child. We did that for while. What we found was that we were reading again, exercising and improving our surroundings. Then we left WoW and raiding and it was the best thing we ever did. The only thing that disgusts me is that I cannot get that time back. It was wasted. Yes, downing bosses was cool, the feeling of accomplishment felt good. We did things few did, sure people did things we did after they were made easier but we did things early, never server first but we were good.

Imagine if that time had been used to earn another degree? Imagine spending that time improving my home or cultivating relationships in the real world. In my mind raiding was about the worst thing that ever happened to me. It was addictive as any drug and just as damaging. It hurt me physically (lack of exercise) and emotionally. Really be honest with yourself, what does an accomplishment in a video game get you and why do you feel you need it? It comes at a cost. I know all the responses I am going to get. I need to relax, it is inexpensive, I could be drinking or going out and doing worse things…blah blah blah. Serious raiding gets you nothing other than the need for a larger seat.

Why am I preaching? I sound worse than ex smoker. I think back on some of the people I used to try and help, those who lost jobs due to gaming. I know people who lost their spouse. The worst thing is, I have knowledge of people neglecting their kids over this crap. If I can make one of you realize how stupid and meaningless in game accomplishments are I might feel a tiny bit better about 1000s of hours of my life I have wasted. Yes, I still play MMOs. I play about 3-5 hours a week just looking for what is on the other side of the hill. No guild drama, no raiding. Just fun.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 7:58PM Graill440 said

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Going to side with a few folks here some comments were uneeded and show the content was pre scripted, obviously they thought they would be "Modern", instead they showed a base side of gaming and very real lack of social skillsets. To outsiders looking in on MMO gamers they just hosed alot of good folks.

Plus trying to justify raiding, always a fail.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:09PM Faction 3 said

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@Bladerunner83

You lost me, bro. I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Though, Im pretty sure you missed my point by an atmosphere.

Dril? Space Cobra? Dunraven? Anyone here know what this guy is saying? Im lost here...

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:26PM donweel said

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No need to drag this thing on and on. It should be buried and left to compost. As has been said "The Raid" has little or no redeeming qualities, it is a "Train Wreck", and does the gaming community dis-service. It deserves no more publicity, the more exposure it gets, the greater chance of law makers and zealots turning this into an anti-gaming crusade.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:27PM donweel said

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@lelb40
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Spam, do not click on link

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:37PM (Unverified) said

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off topic but seriously i've lost count of how many times i've gone to click a link (for instances. the 'The Raid' link. again to notice that it doesn't take u to the The Raid film, just takes u to everything else massively wrote about The Raid or anything related to Raid. what happened? some articles don't even link to what their talking about i either have to run my mouse over ever link now or hope their is a source link at the bottom of the article. there are articles about games that have a Link for the game and it doesn't even link to their site just to ever other post about the game. i get it don't get me wrong but i've seen articles where more then one link, linked back to massively about the link in question.

in this article i couldn't just be linked to the page with the film on it after clicking The Raid link. not even gamerbreak.tv link was linked to it just to their site. i'm not saying i want to be lazy and i'm not trying to be a troll. todays just been a long day. sorry staff.

Posted: Aug 12th 2011 3:13AM Bolongo said

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@(Unverified) It was only up on the gamebreaker.tv site for 72 hours.
Dunno what they did with it after that.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:52PM ngSliver said

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@Faction 3

"Seriously, If anyone here will compare the equasion of defeating a Virtual Villain in a Computer game to being on the same level as Qualifying, Training, being chosen from your countries ENTIRE population to respresnt your home country & your ancestors, "

Even though I would tend to agree with your initial comment (minus the insults), being the best team at getting a ball inside of someplace seems to me equally useless to society as killing some virtual character in a videogame. I mean, I do watch the World Cup but to talk about it "representing ancestors" seems to me just as ( maybe a little more) ridiculous as the initial statement that was critiziced.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:59PM Vorender said

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@Faction 3

LOL thanks for catching that. The worst part is it's true for them. Sort of depressing.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 9:15PM Faction 3 said

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@ngSliver

To represent your home country in the World Cup, is pretty much like representing your Ancestors. Especially if its within a Nation that takes Football as seriously as religion, such as Argentina & Brazil. Im sure I may have went a TAD overboard with that statement, but its FACE VALUE stands: To be chosen to represent your Home Country in ANYTHING of significant importance, in this case, the greatest sporting tournament of all, with the distinct possibility that ones Grandparents, and even thier Grandparents watched the game as though it was a 2nd belief, would be a solid representation of ones roots.

And in the event of Winning a World Cup, entire economies can be affected, Tourism, Beneficiaries of Recruitment, Charities and even Little-Leagues would / have benefitted from a Country winning.

Again, perhaps the depth of that "ancestors" comment made little sense, and I understand your point, believe me, however the basic point of its situational use here, is still there.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 9:30PM Faction 3 said

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@ngSliver

I also want to reiterate a point that you & that idiot Bladerunner may be possibly missing:

The Castronova hump talks about comparing Raiding (Which he participates in) to a Intense Sport, which based on the first point, he would presumably participate in based on the comparison.

Then he compares downing the Lich King (Which he participated in) to Winning the World Cup, which again, based on the first point, one would assume he would be participating in that too, NOT SPECTATING.

"compared raiding to an intense sport and equated the downing of the Lich King to a World Cup Championship victory"

It would be even more ludicrous to compare a Virtual Hobby to Spectating a Sport on Television...so I doubt he was going there...

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 9:48PM (Unverified) said

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@Faction 3

If he's talking about simply downing the Lich King, then I agree that the comparison is off. If he's talking World First Lich King, then he has a point. This has nothing to do with being a nerd. If you think WOW being virtual and soccer being physical even means anything, then you're off. That's like saying earning a Nobel Prize in Medicine is lame because you're not doing anything physically exerting like soccer. If you think WoW being a hobby for many matters, well, soccer is a hobby for other people.

The only argument you have is that winning the World Cup requires much more dedication because you have more competition because more people play it. But that doesn't undercut the amount of dedication required to be a World First raider or the talent it requires. Once again, just because it's not physical doesn't mean there's no talent. If raiding was so easy than tons of people would be battling for World First, but there's always a select few battling for it.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 9:56PM remeran said

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@Faction 3

I get your point, but I still disagree. I mean think about what you're saying. Regardless of what we are talking about I can say X has more meaning than Y because of Z reason. I don't mean to get existential up in her' but everything is subjective. Believe it or not there are people in the world that don't like sports at all and don't think about them. They may believe that getting to the world championship of checkers is much more important than a silly Football game. Likewise there are people that believe that beating the lich king with their friends was a great moment in their lives.

I don't mean to be rude. I respect your opinion but that's all it is, an opinion. Let people live their lives the way they want it and don't think less of them and call them names because their life doesn't live up to your standards.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 10:12PM Faction 3 said

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@remeran

Well, thats a perspective I did'nt really look at. Different things give different feelings to different people. But still, if you don't know the feeling of winning any kind of sporting event, especially one as significant as the World Cup trophy, simply don't compare them then.

Your point is taken. I'll call it quits.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 10:26PM MMOaddict said

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My issue with the Raid documentary is it only shows one facet of a very small percentage of actual MMO players. it doesn't show my type of the casual player type, or the solo guy type. It doesn't show other MMOs where the game offers more to do than raiding and therefore gets away from these negative hurdles that WoW thrusts on people and are shown under a magnifying glass in this documentary.

Still, not horrible, nice camera work, although I found the video game scenes were actually boring compared to the Real Life scenes. Plus, this isn't the type of guild I would ever join. So..it's still biased, from a different perspective.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 10:38PM Faction 3 said

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World Firsts were not verified in the topic or discussion, so thats a point I can't discuss. However, your point of recieving a Nobel Prize because it isnt exerting, while valid, the long-term value isn't even REMOTELY comparable, and will likely not even matter in anyones mind, even their own in 15 years that they beat a World Boss. However, recieving a Nobel Prize will distinguish the individual and pretty much cement his legacy as a credible and positive influence on society & science.

Thats my point as well. The long term value of the awards isn't even comparable, as one will cease to exist LOOOOOONG before the other, and by then, nobody will care about one of them, and even less will remember.

But again, I get your point, and I understand you completely, but theres more than one variable to this than just the face-value of his comment. Which even then, is ridiculous to certain people.

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