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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:25PM Sindreline said

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There guild is named Months Behind there 10 man group was called Double Dragon

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:44PM Jenks said

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@Sindreline

Their
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:33PM (Unverified) said

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@Faction 3

Sadly, I agree with you.

The film, which supposedly is to "show everyone what raiding is about, and what being a mmo gamer is about", only makes me pity these people.

I'd classify it as "horror" rather than a documentary.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:37PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Faction 3

I agree as well. I dislike when gamers take gaming so seriously that they use ridiculous analogies.

I think the best comparison to completing a WoW raid is completing a paint by number picture. If you can follow directions, it will be easy and turn out fine... it also will be boring and make you wonder why you just spent your time doing that.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:38PM EndDream said

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@Faction 3 Why?

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:41PM Dunraven said

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They are still trying to do damage control over this Train Wreck. IVLshadow over at Gamebreakertv said anyone who took issue with The Raid is a troll and that the praise was universal.

Universal? Really? For a twenty nine minuets of Racism sexism and stereotyping? They say Johnson raised over 25K when all was said and done that means the gross take for the Raid was $892.00 US per minuet...that is 25.00 more a minuet than it cost to film Star Wars EP 1.

GBTV will never live down supporting this, I can't believe they are still trying to sucker people into thinking it was actually worthwhile.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:50PM potaco said

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@Dunraven
"the gross take for the Raid was $892.00 US per minuet...that is 25.00 more a minuet than it cost to film Star Wars EP 1."

Um... what? Episode 1 was 133 minutes and had a budget of $115 million, giving an average of about $864,000 per minute... I think you missed a few zeroes in your calculation.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:04PM Dunraven said

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@potaco Your'e not familiar with comparable statistics are you?
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:39PM Vgk said

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@Dunraven I don't know what you were expecting, but I know I wasn't expecting them to show raiding as a sophisticated business like venture done in suits and ties.

People need to move past the sexism, racism, and sterotyping done; this happens in real life all the time in non-offensive ways. A few friends at the bar taking drinks may be a bit sexist or racism jokingly. My friends in real life and I may occassionally say a racist joke, that doesn't make us racists.
When your with some friends that is how many people act, hell have you gone to any party ever, compared to just about any party they were mild quiet and sophisticated.
This is imo being blown a bit out of proportion, so they said they "raped deathwhisper" once they killed her, people say the same about male bosses and other players as well, it isn't used in the same way as in the conventional ussage of the phrase.

They should a few friends raiding together and messing around, it isn't that different from how many people act in real life in seclusion with their friends.
People scream the same way screaming similar things if their football team wins a major match.

As for stereotyping gamers, ya they admitted that gaming can have its adverse effect but they also mentioned how the people you hear about that sit at their rig all day are the minority, that there's millions of gamers and that the media throws things out of proportion (one guy died for gaming too much, come on that only happened once in the history of gaming out of the millions and millions of gamers, or something like that was said)
They said people from all walks of life are gamers that one of their raiders works for the DEA etc.

I liked it, could it have been improved, yes but for once it starts to show us gamers in a more positive light.

Most of the complaints seem to stem from the idea racism, sexism, and vulgarity. When your with some friends are you telling me you never use vulgarity? You've never told a racist joke or smiled at hearing one?

As for sexism, they used what the word Bitch that's it, the word bitch is becoming a bit of a more descriptive adjective than anything else, people use it all the time outside of gaming.
So what if people acted like people on an night out with their friends while they were raiding, what did you expect, (no really how did you honestly expect them to act like?)
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:58PM Dunraven said

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@Vgk I'll take your excuses the same way I take my great grandfathers when he tells me that "The N word was just what we called em back then" /rolleyes

If your friends are like that then get a better or come to grips with the fact that hey maybe you are a Bigot.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 9:22PM (Unverified) said

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@Dunraven

If you think that this documentary is here to promote racism, sexism, and stereotyping, then you are out of your mind. If you think that the people interviewed in said film are racist or sexist then you are out of your mind. If you think that what people say and think are the same you are out of your mind.

In short, stop being so offended at people who aren't as bad as you think they are. Stop saying this is a train wreck when you have not commented at all on the documentary itself. This is not a documentary where the people are white supremacists, or sexists. Because if they were, then...why would there be girls in their guild? Why would there be non-white people in their guild?

If you're going to say it's a train wreck, say it's a train wreck because it had bad editing, or was irrelevant to raiding, or was ahrd to follow. Your irrelevant "complaint," which you are blowing way out of proportion, does not make this a train wreck.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 9:59PM Dunraven said

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@(Unverified) No I won't stop calling this embarrassment a Train Wreck because it is, many people agree with me Including several of the Massively staff.

But if you want to get technical how about bilking 25K from sponsors and making a bad commercial that may have cost 1k to film? How about not setting anything up when the Bad Train Wreck Commercial was suppose to be aimed at people who don't Raid?

I can go on.......

Also if you noticed Gary Gannon hasn't said a damn thing since it was released...he just wants it all to be over, and Larry smartly stayed out of it from the Beginning...Lore? well he just doing Damage control and is saying he was misquoted.

In short they are all embarrassed.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 10:06PM (Unverified) said

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@Dunraven

You obviously didn't read my post. I SAID to stop calling it a train wreck because you perceive the people interviewed to be racist or sexist when it's obvious they're not. If you read my post, I specifically said "If you're going to say it's a train wreck, say it's a train wreck because it had bad editing, or was irrelevant to raiding, or was ahrd to follow."

In your initial post you said it was a train wreck and proceeded to cite the parts "containing" sexism and racism as reasons why. All I said in my post was that you were wrong to say that it was a train wreck based on those reasons. I never once said that you couldn't call it a train wreck at all, I never once offered my own opinion, all I said was that your complaints about "racism and sexism" don't warrant it being a train wreck.
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Posted: Aug 12th 2011 10:41AM Dril said

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@Dunraven

You do realise that in order to compare statistics they have to be *correct* statistics, right?
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:44PM Dril said

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@SnarlingWolf

You haven't raided all that much recently, have you?

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:47PM Dril said

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@Dril

That's not to say I think raiding is anything comparable to a footie world cup final, but your point just irked me.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:54PM dndhatcher said

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I think Karen's review is pretty fair.

The two biggest problems I saw were lack of coverage about the members personal life so there is nothing for a non-gamer to associate with and so much time spent on the swearing and insults that it distracted and detracted from the other more serious points the documentary attempted to make.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 10:16PM Valdur said

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@dndhatcher

I too find that the movie should have showed more on the Raider VS the men/women irl.

Another thing that Karen said "The virtual worlds of the 1990s and beyond have a lot of history, but there hasn't been much attempt to record it outside of things like forums and guild sites. Unfortunately, the survival of such records usually depends on the whim and desire of their owners to keep the site going, and too often, we lose those sources of written record".

We all know that they are not the Top progression guild on earth but the movie captured a fragment of their journey to kill an Iconic character in the Warcraft lore and this will remain.

It's so unfortunate that we don't have a visual Testimony of some of the greatest moments in MMORPG such as The Sleeper in EQ. or the Shard Vigil defending the Shard in the Bael'Zharon event(Thistledown server ) in Asheron's call or even the first massive attack that annihilated an entire Corporation in EvE to show to a non MMORPG gamer.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:03PM Carolina said

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It would have been fine if they had not tried to make it into something to explain raiding in general.

I think the movie is a good video about their guild finishing the ICC raid, but not a good documentary about raiding. It lacked too many explanations to make it understandable to someone who never raided or played an MMO. And for those who raid and are familiar with it, it lacked different kinds of raids that do it successfully, as well as kinds of players and games.

The good point of it all is that it will possibly inspire people to pick up the idea and try to make it better.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 6:08PM Space Cobra said

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@Faction 3

They probably should have used a better analogy.

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