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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:27PM prot said

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@Bladerunner83
if only hype dollars and good story would be enought to make good mmo, but i dont think it does work that way.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:05PM Bladerunner83 said

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@Khalus

It's cool with me, I'm a multi-game guy so I will have plenty of time to wait. If I can't get a copy at launch, no biggy, they will get my money eventually.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:09PM Bladerunner83 said

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@prot

"if only hype dollars and good story would be enought to make good mmo, but i dont think it does work that way. "

We all have our opinions about the subject and those things I stated are extra bonuses on top of an already promissing developer. If you dont have money you can't buy the best things and if you dont have a good story you have a dead world.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 7:22PM (Unverified) said

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@Bladerunner83 "There will be nay-sayers, but SWTOR will be as big as WoW, if not bigger."

Replace SWTOR with Vanguard, WAR, LoTRO, AOC, Aion, etc, etc and this is the same story we've been hearing for years. And you know what? It's no more likely to be true now than it was the last dozen times.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 3:34PM Harley Dude said

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Meh I figured TOR would sell 1.5 mil in the 1st WEEK, counting preorders. TBH I don't think 3 mil in the 1st year would be that much of a surprise. I will be surprised at a 2/3 retention rate, even if the game is awesome, just with people taking breaks to try the next shiny.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 3:35PM arodriguezc said

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Now the real question is... will WAR go F2P a couple of months after SWTOR comes out, or will they actually shut it down... Sorry, but I was eating lunch while reading the comments and had to be a troll (this is my first post as a troll)

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 11:23PM (Unverified) said

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@arodriguezc

I have been wondering that myself...even more since SWG is shutting down.

I know SWG and WAR are unrelated but the timing of SWGs shutdown and SWTOR's launch seem like the companies involved are coordinating their events...and there has been very little news about WAR recently.

Mythic/Bioware is probably going to "need" more servers shortly after the launch of SWTOR hastening the demise of WAR.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 3:41PM Interitus said

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Lets try and keep perspective. The TOR forums have about 1.5 million users. Since when you sign up for game testing you also sign up for the forums. That's quite a few million people shy of 10 million.

Bioware has also made mistakes.. DA2

More money put into a project doesn't not promise better quality. Look at minecraft, wildly popular but likely had a tiny budget.

Hype is everywhere becasue they are rolling into beta. Hype is also everywhere because sites, including massively, report on every little piece of information Bioware releases.

We have seen no evidence of how Bioware can compete in a MMO market. They share common ground but it's hard to jump right into it. Blizzard had the luck of a stepping stone in the form of diablo 2

Actually they teach entertainment is one of those things that wethers recessions fairly well. It helps escape reality. Of course there is a point where if it continues too long entertainment begin to drop off.

I'm not saying TOR is a bad game (and I've played it). I'm saying you are doing a disservice to the game by building it up based almost entirely on hype. You hype others and it creates a domino effect. If the game doesn't end up being what people expected they explode. Yet have no one to blame for themselves because for the last 6 months they kept repeating how amazing it's going to be.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 3:52PM Lucidus said

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@Interitus I wouldn't put too much into forum numbers. Heck, I'm one of those, but after they unveiled the rail shooter, I won't touch that game with a 10 foot pole.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:32PM Interitus said

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@Lucidus I'm saying 1.5 million, another poster said 10 million. I don't put much into even the 1.5 but it's a better guage then the random 10 million. At least you can see where the 1.5 million came from.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 5:30PM chauncy said

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@Lucidus Yeah I know what you mean. I refused to play the original Guild Wars because of the crafting system. People said it was totally optional but what do they know, it's not us who are overreacting we just have standards.
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Posted: Aug 12th 2011 12:11AM (Unverified) said

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@Interitus

You forget, BW also made Neverwinter Nights, with the spectacular tooling set that enabled the best online player made MORPG servers (w/o the M for 'Massively' since unfortunately the largest NWN world servers could hold about 200 people max) around.

In fact, I think BW's NWN already enabled player controlled MORPG world servers, if more people could have played in 1 world shard simultaneously and you'd be able to link more player controlled world servers, then it would have been a true player run MMORPG.
Based on tooling that BW already provided in 2003 with NWN.
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Posted: Aug 12th 2011 12:46AM Interitus said

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@(Unverified) Actually I'm replaying NWN 1 and 2 right now. I didn't forget but by your own words Bioware simply provided the tools. The players were the ones that did the work in regards to trying to make an online world. I wouldn't compare the online component of NWN to that of diablo. NWN was likely deeper and richer but Blizzard was actively part of the online experience. Even to the point of storing character on their servers for Diablo 2. Again, I think this gave them an advantage to entering the MMO world as they had built on what battle.net gave them. I'm not saying Bioware isn't capable of doing this, but they didn't experience the transition that Blizzard did.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:03PM Khai mann said

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They will be lucky to have 500k subscribers past the first 3 months.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:18PM Rayko said

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SWTOR will be the first MMO to hit 50 million users and the players will all move to an island in the tropics and become a new country: The Republic of Awesome!

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 11:28PM (Unverified) said

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@Rayko

Charlie...Is that you?
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:22PM (Unverified) said

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From a gamers viewpoint, they will have to do a complete UI overhaul, allow addon's and modification of the UI, do regular content updates, fix a lot of bugs, improve the PvP, and have achievements before they can even think of keeping 2 million players. They got a lot of work, lots of issues with the game. These are probably things that the company making these predictions doesn't understand.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:24PM (Unverified) said

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From a gamers viewpoint, they will have to do a complete UI overhaul, allow addon's and modification of the UI, do regular content updates, fix a lot of bugs, improve the PvP, and have achievements before they can even think of keeping 2 million players. They got a lot of work, lots of issues with the game. These are probably things that the company making these predictions doesn't understand.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:24PM Crovak said

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I am very happy for the team at BioWare for they have really worked hard on this one. For myself also since I have been watching this game closely for years now. The indicators so far point to a bright future for the title. However I was put off by the arrogant tone put forward by a specific person when responding to release date questions during ComicCon. Given the prominent position of this person, and the tone of his posts on the forums, I am really hesitant. Arrogance displayed in the direction of loyal followers is a huge red flag for me as a consumer. That along with the fact of no statement about the monthly cost to play the game left me unwilling to invest in a pre-order much less the CE I was planning on purchasing. A strategic move on EA's part I am sure, but one that leaves me wondering what their intentions are. I still am very excited about the choice of IP, the game mechanics, and the confidence that the game will have great support after it launches. I still have hopes to purhcase a CE for my wife and I to go next to our SWG Boxed CE sets sitting on our shelf. Worthless investment I am sure. But hey! We are Star Wars fanatics so what can I say. Books, games, you name it for it is just one of life's little pleasures that we have enjoyed for many years.

I will be purchasing the game most likely at a latter date, but just not willing to part with the cash until more concrete information is made public.

Posted: Aug 11th 2011 4:25PM (Unverified) said

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So is this actual preorders or just predictions of preorders they're getting all worked up over? Seems to me I keep hearing all these amazing things about this game from its developers but most of what I've seen of the game doesn't impress me a whole lot.

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