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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:04AM Lenn said

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I can see absolutely no reason for this to possibly backfire.

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:29AM (Unverified) said

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@Lenn

I think this is great! I applaud them trying to fight a system that promotes the destruction of their game. Unlike Bliizards greedy, cant beat them so join them by taking all the money possible from their fan base.

I hope this works!!
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 1:28PM Lenn said

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@(Unverified) I have no doubt it could do good, but I fear a lot of people who aren't doing anything wrong will get caught in the net as well, as someone below also remarked. And look at the choice of picture. A system designed to catch goldsellers before they can sell the gold? They'd better make damn sure they are catching the right people or this will turn around and bite them on the ass.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 1:55PM Daemodand said

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@(Unverified) I can guarantee you right now it won't work. People are going to buy gold, and that's all there is to it. It cannot be stopped.

Now, the gold sellers and farmers can be put out of business tomorrow if the game companies acknowledged reality and just sell the gold themselves. As we see with recent events in the industry, they are beginning to move in this direction.

Imagine an MMO world with no account thefts, no credit card fraud, and greatly reduced customer service costs. That's the upside to game companies selling gold themselves.

The downside? There really isn't one. Because the counterargument is players buying gold harms the integrity of the game. The problem with that argument is, show me an MMO where people aren't buying gold. If harm is being done, the harm is being done right now, and bringing account theft, credit card fraud and high customer service costs along with it.

The war on gold selling isn't winnable. Give people what they want.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:28AM Icemasta said

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@Daemodand
That's the same logic used to legalize drugs you know?
"Drug is dangerous because when you want ot buy it, you have to go to a dealer, if they were legal, stores could sell it and it would be all rainbow and unicorn farts!"

The problem isn't that people are gonna do it, the problem is the act itself. Selling gold, in whatever form, is bad for the in-game economy, creates massive inflation if there is no good way to siphon in-game gold out of the game, and ultimately leads to a pay to win scenario where the best/rarest items are put up at ridiculous prices until someone chucks 80$ on the gold selling company to buy the item.

Another point also is that if a company sells it directly, they're literally creating currency. A gold farmer can run out of stock, they have to farm to get it, and if someone comes in with a huge bulk order, it's possible they'll run out of stock. If you check Eve, where they have a form of gold selling, the ISK doesn't appear out of nowhere, it's farmed by the players and then traded for something worth real cash, but it's the player that farms, not CCP spawning it.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:10AM Azev said

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Great News. Good to see that extra development time is not going to waste.

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:13AM Issmir said

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@Lenn

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:13AM Issmir said

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@Issmir

Bah - pressed enter too early.

Tomorrow's press release will detail how the technology can also be used to allow devs to spy on hot cybz.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:30AM GrumpyGnome said

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So would my 10 hour stints of non-stop harvesting all tiers in EQ2 be considered an erratic or unusual pattern?

Hmmm...

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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@GrumpyGnome

Yes, because it is lol.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 1:07PM GrumpyGnome said

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LOL. Sadly it's about the most exciting thing about the game for me now. I do love me some rares...
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 9:33AM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) I agree with the spirit of what you say, but having played K-Tera, the botting and farming in this game has as very specific character. The behaviors have very unique attributes and should be easy to discern from the average maniac :)
For example, the common method is to multibox many of the*exact* same type of character, set up in an area and go to work.
If there are "innocent" players that play this way, I feel sorry for them.

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 10:03AM Deadalon said

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Fantastic news that some companies are still fighting while greedy corporate directors are selling items ingame for real money.

I will support Tera - I have already had my Battlenet account deleted.

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 10:21AM Khalus said

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Instead of just outright banning said player thats being monitored, it shouldn't be very difficult to send that player a /tell and see if they respond, or ask them a generic question about the area they're in or about the MMO itself and see if they can answer it.

Ya know, see if they're human or not, or can even speak English.


Cause yeah, sometimes I too get into a moment of just pure grind in areas that I find fun or if I'm trying to complete an achievement or just hanging out waiting for something to spawn...etc If ya sent me a tell though and asked why I'm doing such, I'd at least respond with an honest answer.

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 10:21AM Apakal said

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Multiboxing is common in many MMOs and largely considered completely legitimate, even in PvP.

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 10:49AM (Unverified) said

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Hmm Aion tried something similar to this didn't they? Anyways, wouldn't surprise me because a lot of the En Masse team is from the original NCfail Aion group that were there when the game(Aion) started.... Maybe they won't fail this time xD

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 1:17PM Valdur said

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I doubt they'll fail considering they have Patrick Wyatt at the helm and this guy one of the best.
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Posted: Aug 11th 2011 8:21AM Icemasta said

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Aion's "fiasco" of the anti-piracy feature was pretty much an ignorant campaign lead by the community, because nobody loves a witch hunt like a mob of ignorant people.

To tl;dr; what happened, NCsoft added nProtect to Aion. Now, I've known nProtect for years, while it's not the perfect anti-hacking tool out there, it does a fairly good job at hindering botters, and if the Aion devs use the nProtect platform successfully, it becomes a pain in the ass to create a bot. Now, what happened is that the community QQed really really hard, starting flooding the forums with every single bug encountered being blamed on nProtect (and not on their own incompetence) and NCsoft flinched and removed it. What happened on release with a virgin client with 0 protection? Bots and spammers, everywhere. Then for 2 months people flooded the forums saying "Oh noes, bots and spammers everywhere!".

I am happy that TERA will have such a feature, hopefully people don't jump on a bandwagon and ruin this for everyone.
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 11:07AM Masync9 said

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Well one can hope that it will work. I would love to see those that purchased the illicit goods get a permanent ban along with the farmer and spambot accounts.

I am in a start up MMO right now and we are seeing massive inflation in the marketplace. The gold farmer spam bots first started out 100g for $8 then within a few weeks it ramped up to 1000g and only a few weeks later it is now 2000g for $9.

The bots spam so hard in the general town channels that anything a player says is shoved off the screen in about .8 seconds. Social interactions for players are now down to whispers to each other. So saying it is destroying the game community building is an understatement.

It seems that most people have zero self control and reach for that credit card - "Hey its no big deal, no one gets hurt and I can same a ton of time by getting the gold right now..."

Account fraud is already starting to sink into the community and the best part? This game is in closed beta....

*Start playing the Money song*

*Insert the picture of Gordon Geko* Greed is Good

Posted: Aug 10th 2011 11:11AM angryhoar said

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They freaking know what they have to lose. I'm happy they took a step back and realised it's not time yet to release.
When it's ready.
By now they should bloody well know how demanding we Westerners can be.

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