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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 10:06AM Natester21 said

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thought it was great,
however was a little to short for me :P

Posted: Aug 8th 2011 10:49AM Apakal said

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@Ren54

The community is pretty horrible. And documentaries aren't obligated to be neutral.

Posted: Aug 8th 2011 10:55AM gildhur said

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I see how it is, all about raiders. Raiders get everything, all the good loot, the fame, the achievements, and now even documentary films! When do soloers and casuals get their documentary, huh??? Why are we always treated like second class citizens?!

Posted: Aug 8th 2011 10:55AM gildhur said

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@gildhur LOL. my /parody end tag apparently didn't come through...
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:54AM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@gildhur

It's so much better without the tags, just leave it ;-)
Well done sir!
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:09AM MetaReal said

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Raiding (as show in in depth documentary) = a bunch of racist and cursing people living an unhealthy life.
It's basically the image that this documentary funded by gamers (see kickstarter) will show to your parents and non-gamers.
New laws against gaming will come soon. Thanks guys. Well done.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 12:55PM deluxe2000 said

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@MetaReal

I'd bet money you didnt even watch it.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 1:53PM MetaReal said

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@deluxe2000
"""I'd bet money you didnt even watch it.""""

I've seen it twice. First live on gamebreaker, staying up till 3am local time just for it (with a US friend over Skype if the judge needs a witness) and a second time here on Massively post.

I'm not trying to protect the raiding community because i don't raid anymore and i'm very critical of WoW style raiding or heavily stats based raiding. I just say it doesn't represent the experience i had in the different raiding guilds i've been a member of (French server). Most of the raiders i met where highly intelligent and educated people, very often software engineers or academics. In ALL serious raiding guild of my server the chart always stipulated that racist or sexists comments were NOT tolerated (= gkick if repeated) and guild masters did their job (i'm disappointed in Lore there) .

I found the way the documentary was filmed very good (both webcams and HD in depth interviews). I found the comments of Edaward Castronova and Jessy Schell very (overly) positives but it wasn't well illustrated by the choice of this raiding guild management; I even wonder if they are not themselves a little embarrassed of it now...

Also the documentary was targeted to non-gamers and as such it fails to give a beginning of comprehension of what it is (the process) or why this people do what they do. Even all the wow-jargon was left unexplained, how non-gamers are supposed to understand anything of what they said?

I'm unsure of the intentions this "documentary" serves.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 2:21PM deluxe2000 said

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@MetaReal

Ok now this is a good response! That you linked to Beau's set me off. You are right about the statement "it fails to give a beginning of comprehension of what it is (the process) or why this people do what they do.", which was my biggest disappointment. There was never any real bridge from the typical adults to the prototypical gamer personalities presented. Its was hastily edited, as the director stated in the prologue interviews on Gamebreaker, to its detriment.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 5:27PM Celtar said

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@MetaReal

One critical point I am going to make to you about the audio link you posted, you go on an on about profane language in "The Raid" and yet you own language in the first 5 minutes I've listened to "so far" is F-Bomb and other profanity filled that I think you miss the point that you are making yourself come off like a hypocrite.

Basically you diminish your own points by ranting about the profanity in "The Raid" by being actually more profane then they were. Personally coming from a military background I have no real issue with profanity and as I used to say to other soldiers or my wife. I had two hats I wore, the first had was my normal hat for interacting socially in the evening/off duty and then there was my "Motor pool hat" as I called it. For when I was interacting with mechanics, other soldiers etc during duty hours, a dumbed down profane, to the point language.

Anyhow I'd recommend you jot down notes in the future, organize your thoughts and wait until you aren't upset before doing a audio critic of something in the future. It is advice I'd want anyone to give me btw so I am not trying to flame you. I am actually going to listen to the whole audio rant to see what you have to say, I might learn something.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 5:47PM MetaReal said

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@Celtar

"Anyhow I'd recommend you jot down notes in the future, organize your thoughts and wait until you aren't upset before doing a audio critic of something in the future."

I'm not the author of the audio answer (i don't know him). Check my username and his before pushing the trigger, also i have a heavy French accent that i'm proud of ;)

I agree with you though that he shouldn't use the "fucking" word everywhere but i imagine it's pretty standard in the daily american youth language (in France we're not better using the word "putain" everywhere...). At least he doesn't use racist or sexist language ("rape face", "sausage fest" and all the bips...).
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Posted: Aug 10th 2011 3:34AM Celtar said

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@MetaReal

Problem is MetaReal is that that "isn't" apparent by the post where you placed the link. The way "I" read the post it came off as if you were posting a link to "your" rant. My apologizes for misunderstanding.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:11AM gamebynight said

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For those still on the fence, I posted a review of the documentary here:

http://www.gamebynight.com/?p=3019

TL;DR: Best MMO documentary released yet; still stereotyped and the movie suffers for these poignant and seemingly intentional reminders that "gamers" are less socially-adept than real people.

Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:26AM theinternetman said

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I think it's an accurate representation of the majority of competitive gamers. Though there are some nicer guilds that raid casually, the majority of competitive players in both PvE and PvP in MMOs are like these people. That said anyone who automatically assumes all people who play MMOs and raid are like these people are as ignorant as the remarks some people in this documentary make like "rape your face". Hate to break it to you, the majority of MMO players are gigantic @$$holes!

Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:38AM ElfLove said

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@theinternetman

I agree. Furthermore it really is a painfully accurate description of the current state of WOW Raid culture and WOW's community in general. it almost needed to be harsher...to really bring the point home.

I hope that lots of WOW raiders watch this, and perhaps see why many of us, who have migrated to other MMOs, would prefer that they stay in WOW.

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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 7:05PM Dril said

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@ElfLove

And, honestly, I hope you people stick in those MMOs and don't come ruin TOR's community with your "hurr durr WoW babies are nubs."

I'm sick to death of all these holier-than-thou people who rail against WoW players being elitist, arsey jerks and yet go on to say that they'd rather not speak to anyone from WoW anyway. Even LOTRO, that supposedly blessed pool of community goodness, was full of self-righteous pricks in chat channels and groups who loudly proclaimed how naff WoW and its players were.

I get it. You're so much better than me as a person because I've raided in WoW whilst your frolicking in the verdant hills of *other game's zone.* Now go enjoy being free of all us disgusting WoW plebs instead of harping on about how much better your communities are.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 9:20PM CountBrass said

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@Dril

Wow, you really are living up to the image that we're all talking about aren't you?

Do you not *hear* yourself?

--Count Brass
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 9:33PM Dril said

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@CountBrass

Ah, yes, I see.

I'm such a bastard for not wanting to play with people who would gladly tell me to gtfo because I'm a WoW raider and thus the sole and utter cause of WoW's awful(ly over-exaggerated) community.

But those people generalising and flaming the group I fit into have a valid point and are being drowned out by me and my big WoW raiding, racist/sexist/hate-spewing mouth.
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Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:29AM (Unverified) said

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for those that want a more broad look, go check out second skin or gamer, both are good documentaries that cover all aspects of mmos.

Posted: Aug 8th 2011 11:33AM Rnor6084 said

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Exactly why i do not raid any longer.


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