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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:06PM Dirame said

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I AM THE PROPHET OF DOOM!! AND I SAY ONTO YOU! ALL MMOs ARE DOOMED!

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 4:44PM SnarlingWolf said

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@Dirame

Isn't it fun to be that?


I think the one thing that people tend to overlook when looking at this issue is the cause and effect. When you see the same gamers getting excited and talking about how the next MMO will be the be all end all MMO, only to have them come back a month after launch and talk about how that company completely failed. Then they repeat that with the next MMO. It makes you go a little crazy trying to figure out how people can't keep their expectations in check, especially after going through the process several times.

The other cause and effect is when people just reply with how awesome a game is, give it 10 point ratings on everything (come on, no game has ever hit that), and just shout from the rooftops of how the company that makes it is god, you feel there needs to be balance. That tends to cause the side that doesn't approve the game to post more negatively each time to try and balance out the over-positive praise that is being unfairly given.

People always try to say "oh those people are trolls" and similar things about the people who feel differently without taking the time to realize that how they act and post directly affects how the people who feel the opposite act and post.

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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:12PM Pingles said

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The fourth group: LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!

We have a series of trolls here who just like to make sure they post the most generic, inflammatory troll comments in posts about specific types of games.

It's tiresome. And most of us just ignore them but there will always be the new-to-the-internet folks who feel the need to convince them otherwise, never realizing that these folks are just here to make you notice them. No other reason.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 2:25PM Gamewench said

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@Pingles Too true =)
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 4:04PM Borick said

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@Gamewench Too simplistic. I would argue that every poster seeks to be acknowledged as an individual through shared belief. Mocking the behavior is seeking identity with those who share your belief.

We're all trolls. We just aren't always aware of it.

There are only a few dozen of us who regularly post more content than the paid staff. Each of us has our own oddities that predicate our behavior, but if it's just an issue of negative mud-slinging it seems to me that it should be pretty easy to post a rational counterpoint from the authors, and exercise moderate use of the banhammer.

I think that the bottom line might be that the authors and editors abhor censorship but have an obligation to moderate their forum. This is a great blog with a dynamic team of writers and solid editorial staff, and if we behave like hooligans we tend to drive away the more civil readership. That could be bad for all of us.

It's a good point. Rome might be burning, but that's no excuse for being uncivil all the time.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 4:59PM Dril said

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@Borick

"This is a great blog with a dynamic team of writers and solid editorial staff, and if we behave like hooligans we tend to drive away the more civil readership. That could be bad for all of us."

That's undoubtedly true, although I think you give us (the commenters) more credit than we deserve.

Aside from the odd bit of flamebait or shoddy journalism, Massively's staff writers are, by and large, intelligent, articulate and, most importantly, they don't seem to be here purely to try and carve out a little bit of internet fandom for themselves.

WoWInsider used to be a fantastic site with good commentary until, gradually, the articles became far more focussed on throwing in random pop-culture references and boosting the author's profile, and the comments echoed it.

By now, most of WoWInsider's comments are either "look at me, I'm making a FUNNY," or "I'm making a populist rant, upvote me!" It seems a lot of them equate someone having a differing opinion to being a troll. If Massively's authors started flailing their arms about for attention, the community would do the same.

TLDR: Massively is good because the writers are good.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 6:03PM Gaugamela said

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@Dril

Even though I consider that this text should hit a not within you I agree with everything you wrote in this post. :)
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Posted: Aug 4th 2011 12:18PM Dril said

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@Gaugamela

Two things:

1) What do you mean by "Even though I consider that this text should hit a not within you"? I've never come across the expression before.

2) Which text, the original article or my comment? :P
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:16PM j1083 said

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"The problem (and this is probably best left for a different Soapbox) is that we are still very fractured as an overarching MMO community, clinging to specific games while not lending support and encouragement to the ones we don't. The insecure advocate is a ranter who wants their game -- which could be either live or in development -- to be Number One, and that means everyone else must go down in flames."

So... basic human nature at work?

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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Can we just hate publishers, like EA for instance? lol

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:29PM smg77 said

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It's perfectly acceptable to hate SOE and root for them to fail in everything they do.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:40PM (Unverified) said

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EA? I think Blizzard should get some hate after the BS to D3!

SW:TOR will take down WOW!


/braces for impact :D

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Posted: Aug 3rd 2011 6:04AM theinternetman said

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EA / Acti-Bliz / SoE are all amazingly horrible companies that (sadly) dump money into games that have wonderful development teams, and churn out games that are clearly not driven by creativity, but marketing.

Some examples:
Warhammer Online (Had the potential to be DAOC 2)
SWTOR (Mass Effect: The MMO)
Matrix Online
NGE for SWG (Lets let sony execs ruin an entire game)
The list goes on...
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:21PM EndDream said

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I think one reason people post on forums is to get a response. Go to a forum and say that Rift is a pretty good game for what it is and you are going to play it until game X comes out. Then go and say RIFT SUCKS LOLOLOL THE SERVERS ARE DEAD etc and see which post gets more responses. It will be the latter unfortunately. I believe this has a lot to do with the issue.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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Well, I'm not one to publicly talk down an MMO and adamantly try to root for it's failure. BUT, I will tell my friends why I don't think it will work and for them to not waste their time. That being said--am I rooting for failure or just being realistic?

Certain developers behind MMOs really still have no clue what they are doing in terms of creating a solid game. You can't just look for box sales, promise one thing and do another, change the state of the game in one huge patch, or more importantly; leave content unfinished (particularly end-game/max-level). It's a shame these MMOs were even released, and I cannot even fathom why the leads behind these titles have moved on to bigger productions.

Game clones with different IPs. What's the point? You're aiming for the same things with, most likely, worse polish.

Just breaching the surface here but you get the point.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:26PM chum said

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Nice read. Misery loves company I suppose. When I first started coming to these sites the Failcom people were in full force with logos and everything. There were a couple who hung on beyond the limits of any rational person but eventually they all moved on to something else presumably. I don't think I've ever seen anything that compares since although a couple have come close.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:31PM (Unverified) said

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@Justin Olivetti - Very nice article!

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:31PM tk421242 said

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Looking at the headline picture makes me feel as though I am at a Newcastle United match. ew.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:34PM ApathyCurve said

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Look at that chick in the lower right corner of that photo of the streetpreacher haranguing the crowd. See the expression on her face?

Yeah.

Posted: Aug 2nd 2011 1:37PM Dril said

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Why is *dis*liking a game and having arguments in articles about it frowned upon, but people who will equally go into a thread just to spout blind praise (i.e. fanbois) looked upon with as more benevolent?

Anyway:

1) I do actually enjoy arguing about the abstract (political theory and games fall quite neatly into this category.) I don't thrive on division, far from it, but as I've said in comments about communities, I find that when everyone's really nicey-nice it's all very tedious conversation. There's only so much you can pat people on the back for liking what you like before it gets old.

2) Most of the time I only respond to things that are, to my mind, totally the opposite of what I think/experienced and/or when someone lampoons another game I like to make a point about another.

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