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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 4:44PM (Unverified) said

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@Khalus

If you don't raid there is zero need for raid dropped gear.

Soloers have a gear path to be able to do all solo pve content in the game.
People that prefer group content have a path to be able to do all group content in the game and be geared to enter raid content.
Raiders have a gear progression throu group content and raid tiers.

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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 5:06PM Khalus said

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As expected of the typical raider, you know who you are ~ have rushed through the conversation, not taking the the time to understand our woes, even though we've already and very clearly discussed why we want raid level of gear and more alternate options to acquire it. Just to get to the end as quickly as possible and make a smarmy remark with pointless "why's" and "I don't get it!" for that which has already been addressed...

If you want answers go back and reread what is already posted, and maybe with a little open-mindedness you'll understand, but I doubt it. The raider never has and I doubt ever will!
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 5:41PM Gaugamela said

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@Khalus

Typical raider?????
ROFLMAO!!! My raiding time was 3 months in vanilla WoW mate!
I just find your arguments extremely stupid when applied to a game that has been releasing all kind of content besides raids.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 6:36PM Dril said

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@Khalus

What? Your complaint is: "I want other ways to get raid gear."

I point out that the patch is giving you nice new gear, AND I ask you to explain *why* you want raid gear/why you think you should get it (apart from..PvP? Why that makes sense I have no idea.)

So, rather than pandering for upvotes with an "all raiders are impatient morons who have no sympathy for the poor, beleaguered casual, woe is us!" explain to me again: why should you, someone who does want to raid, be able to get the same gear for far less effort than someone who does?

And, moreover, why SHOULDN'T the people who have put in the time and effort have more power? You don't get better at chess by going "ho dee hum hum, all those people who spend the day practising and getting better, it's all so unfair! Some divine power should make me as good as them by going swimming!" You get better by, oh yes, practising and DOING the activity.

Explain, rather than dodging the question. Open-mindedness is of no consequence: I can't have an open mind to an idea that makes absolutely no sense and is poorly explained.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 6:38PM Dril said

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@Dril

Also, to qualify my statements:

I am *in no way* against alternative ways to get gear. I'd love that. But they have to require an amount of effort and determination similar to raiding, otherwise it's unfair. There should be options, yes, but they should be BALANCED options. You should be able to choose, not "oh I want some easy epics so I'll go craft."
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 8:40PM (Unverified) said

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@Dril

I think there should be alternative gear sets equal in quality & difficulty in acquiring. Raids, PVP, & Epic quest lines or scaled down solo raid/dungeons. I used to be a hardcore raider 5-6 nights a week. I don't have that time to dedicate 4 straight hours on certain days anymore to maintain my raid slot. Sh*t happens. However, I still have about 4 hours broken up throughout the day that I think I should be able to work towards some epic gear on my schedule. I am not suggesting gear be handed out- I want it to be epically hard and earned. Don't reply saying just PVP for gear- that gets old fast- I'm talking about thinking outside the box and opening up opportunities for everyone. Consider the following- If I can work on alternative gear sets on my schedule, then I will be able to join your raid team when you have a spot open and I have the time without worrying about being under geared.
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Posted: Jul 31st 2011 8:16AM Dril said

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And as I said in the comment right above yours, I agree with that.

What I don't understand is Khalus' view, and why he still refuses to actually answer the question. I mean, I know blathering on about how evil raiders/raiding are/is is jolly good fun, but he has yet to actually explain himself.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2011 10:34PM augustgrace said

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Even if you don't like Rift, you have to at least admit that Trion is one of (or possibly the most) the most dedicated mmorpg companies out there. They've been pumping out events and updates at a pace I haven't seen since the first 6 months to 1 yr of LotRO.

To top it off I've found the updates and events to be almost entirely bug free and enjoyable.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:14AM Nepentheia said

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@augustgrace

Aye, and here's to hoping that these events and updates won't dwindle after that first 6-12 months. :-)
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:29AM (Unverified) said

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@augustgrace yeah, they are going fast and furious with the content patches, how many raid bosses will there be counting the new patch?
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 1:42AM Khalus said

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@augustgrace

I will agree too, that Trion are very good devs that actually listen to the players {on most issues or requests} and pump out some damned good updates very quickly.

However, there are things I don't like about them, one being this topic on raids being the only end game events and no support for the solo / small group player, and the second are no physical authenticators. They say players don't want them, and while the coin lock does its job, its annoying being hacked constantly and having to tab out and keep unlocking your char all-the-while Trion does nothing about it...
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 10:29AM Valdur said

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@augustgrace

They can do that because everything that they are releasing was already there before launch and couldn't be finished on time.That's how Trion tricks a lot of players and makes them believe that they are very very active.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 2:23PM NeverDeath said

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@augustgrace

I absolutely agree. Right now RIFT isn't doing a lot for me (partly because I have other distractions at the moment), but I have an active subscription nonetheless, because I feel that Trion is the only developer who is actually earning their money these days. Nobody else seems to listen or care about what their players want and then implement it in an intelligent/efficient manner, like Trion does.

I hope other developers take a page out of their book.
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Posted: Aug 1st 2011 5:19AM Budukahn said

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Bit low down rating Valdur I think. Frankly I find his point very valid - it's much easier to finish off half done content that was cut from release than to develop entirely new stuff. While I would like to believe that Trion is truly dedicated above and beyond other developers when it comes to putting out content, frankly I think it's much more likely the flood of content will slow to a drizzle once they run out of easy projects to finish up.

Likewise, the company branching out into other projects like End of Nations and the collaboration with Syfy will have an impact in how much development effort Rift gets going forward.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2011 10:54PM (Unverified) said

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I cant wait for 1.4- I'm tired of the long wait for dungeons! For me, dungeons are the best part of the game. I also like raids now and then, but I just don't have the time I used to have :(

Posted: Jul 29th 2011 11:32PM Khalus said

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@(Unverified) "I also like raids now and then, but I just don't have the time I used to have :("


Exactly, I don't mind the occasional raid either, and while I have the time to dedicate to them, I don't have the patience, or the will to sit through them as often as its needed, to keep a dedicated spot in a guild.

Its really quite boring to me...I'd rather be out exploring, and doing quests, seeking collections, gathering mats for crafting, and helping other players with quests, closing a rift or to complete an achievement.
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Posted: Jul 29th 2011 11:36PM Valentina said

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I agree that it's time to start moving away from the best gear only being obtainable through raids, but the only thing is how do you make a MMO with huge group content worth pursuing if you give the rewards to solo or small group players? I think there should be two completely different types of content with completely different loot..I think once you made the best gear obtainable through solo or small group means than you risk completely ruining any reason whatsoever for people to put forth the effort for large group/raid content.

Posted: Jul 30th 2011 12:16AM Khalus said

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@Valentina

You place requirement on them, sorta like the Arena gear in WoW has, that requires you achieve a certain rating before you can use it. And it can also have a certain color scheme to clearly let others know you got this from PvE, not raiding.

As for what determines how ones gets this gear from solo/small group PvE so the raiders continue to raid. Well for one its pretty dern clear that raiders don't care for PvE content much, cause they're usually the ones that rush to the cap, never reading quests or exploring...all they want is to raid.

So make it something thats accumulative throughout the adventure, where you have to kill so many thousands of each of these types of mobs to earn this piece, and so many of this type for the next piece. Or add a bunch or rare spawn named mobs that one must kill a dozen times to get that other piece. Stuff that the average raider thinks is boring as all hell to do, but for me its fun!
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 9:55AM LeBouc said

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@Khalus

What are you trying to find is callled "Asian Grindfest"
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Posted: Jul 30th 2011 11:04AM Valkesh said

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@Valentina
Don't make "getting gear" the end all be all of the game. First major problem solved.
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