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Posted: Jul 24th 2011 6:35PM DrewIW said

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This is useful for hisec wars and wormholes, but honestly, the only frigates that matter in 0.0 these days are used to cyno in Supercarriers.

Posted: Jul 24th 2011 6:43PM Brendan Drain said

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@DrewIW Honestly, I'd say it's most useful for faction warfare, highsec wars and lowsec roaming. I had a ton of success with frigate/cruiser packs in faction warfare, but that was before Apocrypha and I'm led to believe FW has gone significantly downhill on the small PvP front since then.

I've also had some success roaming nullsec in a pack of frigates/cruisers and looking for targets of opportunity. You'd be surprised how many lone industrials and ratting battleships you pass in some regions. Providence used to be a haven for nullsec carebears and a great place to roam, but I imagine that's changed since it changed hands a few times. There's always the possibility of running across targets in unexpected locations. On a random suicide frigate run into nullsec once, we ran across a jump freighter at a stargate. If we had have had a better dedicated tackler in the group like a Rifter, we would have caught him easily. So you never know what you'll come across.

Though new players should be under no illusions with frigate packs. You will all get slaughtered repeatedly. But the death penalty is so low that it's a great way to get combat experience and you will eventually run across a target you can kill. There is no greater feeling than throwing 2 million ISK's worth of ships at a 200 million ISK battleship and managing to kill it.
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Posted: Jul 24th 2011 6:49PM Graill440 said

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A great piece Brendan, informative for the potential person looking into EVE, but its like that Mad Money investment show, Its deceptive and does not tell the whole story.

Posted: Jul 24th 2011 8:03PM (Unverified) said

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EVerytime I read your articles, I want to get back into EVE.

Posted: Jul 24th 2011 9:55PM Joshua Przygocki said

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@(Unverified) Yeah, I hate that about his articles.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2011 7:29AM Brendan Drain said

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@(Unverified) Good, then I'm doing my job right :D. Truth be told, writing this made me want to get a few friends on new characters into frigates and kick over some sandcastles too. Perhaps I'll do another one for cruisers, as they're the most fun ships I've ever flown in group PvP.
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Posted: Jul 24th 2011 10:25PM (Unverified) said

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For anyone interested in getting involved in some pure fun frigate action i recommend joining us in Red Vs Blue.

Check out our recruitment thread here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1470707

- Viscera Fox

Posted: Jul 25th 2011 4:02AM Kalec said

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My only real question is how can you farm isk (solo) to afford pvp (as a beginner, but using bigger ships than frigates).

I tried doing level 4 missions on my character (can't even remember how many SP he even has, haven't played in a while) but it took A LOT of concentration and time to do all lvl 4 missions without risking my ship. And the real problem is that it's boring, I find myself watching tv more than actually playing so I don't go insane. This is my main gripe with EvE ... I find PvE almost impossible (because it is THAT boring) and I have no other way of financing my PvP career.

Posted: Jul 25th 2011 8:23AM Wensbane said

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@Kalec

You could try low-sec ratting/exploration, which is what I've been doing lately.

It's a lot more exciting than just running missions all day and it forces you to learn the mechanics of the game, by throwing you straight into the deep end of the pool.
In other words: you'll learn how to use that directional scanner in no time, because if you don't... you're dead.

Granted, living in low-sec is probably not as profitable as non-stop high-sec missions - especially if you're on your own, as I am - but it should net you more than enough for some tier 1 ships with decent PvP fittings.

PS: Finding a decent PvP Corp, as suggested in the article, probably won't be easy at first.
Most of them will ask for a very high SP level before even looking at your application.

Joining Factional Warfare is a much easier way to get some PvP under your belt, because you never run out of targets, but still have the freedom to "retreat" back to your usual PvE activities, as needed (high-sec raids by the enemy faction are rare and easy to spot).
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Posted: Jul 25th 2011 5:29AM (Unverified) said

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Fantastic article Brendan. Obviously there's always more to say about EVE and ship fitting, but this was a great overview of various options for all the races for beginners.

As for Kalec's comment, have you tried your hand at any of the other methods of making isk? Level 4s are hardly your only option. You could try out exploration or join a wh or nullsec alliance to get into the deep dark. You could try playing the market or manufacturing. L4s become easier the more you do them and the more skills you have to do them. Knowing nothing about your character, it's possible you're trying L4s before you're really ready for them, and consequently you're getting frustrated with how long they take/how dangerous they are.

Posted: Jul 25th 2011 7:42AM Pasha said

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Usefule article this time - thank you very much!

Could be nice to see instruction "Where and how to find easy targets for solo / small gang PvP"

Posted: Jul 25th 2011 8:58AM Skyydragonn said

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For the time I played EVE (about 2 months) I absolutely loved it, my only gripe with the entire game is the D-bag gate campers who smartbomb jumpgate exit points in lowsec. Makes it almost impossible to get to Jita at times. Being a new player meant not having any backup or support and no knowledge of how to scout ahead on your planned travel route. (good article topic for you there) Making it a very frustrating experience at the least. If I knew how to avoid the D-bag gate campers that like to grief Newbie pilots I might have stuck with it longer.

Posted: Jul 25th 2011 4:35PM (Unverified) said

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Eve need instanced battleground PvP to have some easily accessable and rewarding PvP. The current way of doing PvP is simply too much hassle and can have you waste hours and not being able to get a single kill.

Im sorry but when I play games I want to have fun, not spend hours trying to find some fun.

Posted: Jul 26th 2011 12:26AM MassiveMMOGamer said

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I'd pay IRL cash to see facial expressions for people who actualy try and PvP as a noob in eve.

Its classic. A new person in EVE has Zero chance of doing anything but being kilt, hard. Not a small chance, zero chance. Its not like other games where you can jump in and start playing and pvp and mess around and have fun.

In EVE, there is a MASSIVE learning curve. the devs make fun of people who dont spend the 3 months it takes to learn eve. they litteraly make fun of people not willing to spend the time to leanr how to play.

And now they are asking you to just pay money for the game, get in a frigate, and run out onto the battlefield?

Uhhhhhh, what do you suppose your role will be?

Exactly. You will be paying them money to be cheap content for all the griefers. You will get griefed at every turn. Griefers are about all thats left of the EVE playerbase. The majority of the Veteran players left because of Incarna expansion. Noobs rarely, if ever, stick around past the trial.

And so now they launch a campaign to try and get noobs to buy accounts only to run out on the battlefield and get killed over and over by their established griefer playerbase.....

its classic.

I would almost feel sorry for them, if only they hadnt flamed their own playerbase over $1000 pants. Yeah, thats right, the same Dev team that is asking you to try out there game, literaly released a Dev Blog FLAMING the playerbase over their $1000 jeans addiction.

The argument went somethign like "Yeah... but we wear $1000 jeans, you wear $50 dollar jeans, so get over it....."

Im paraphrasiing of course, but you get the picture. It was an actual dev blog released when the whole playerbase started protesting over the last expansion.

Heres a little video that might help explain the atmosphere over there.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObrlCf3Dcs

Posted: Jul 26th 2011 11:04AM Brendan Drain said

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@MassiveMMOGamer This isn't an advertising campaign, it's a weekly editorial column on EVE Online that has been running for over three years and has no links to CCP other than the fact I play and write about their game. Additionally, I haven't suggested that people should sign up full paid accounts to check the game out -- In fact, by suggesting you can PvP with only a few days of skills I'm saying you can try all of this out during a 14-day free trial.

I know first hand that the strategy of grabbing together a bunch of newbies in frigates or cruisers and heading into lowsec or faction warfare can work because I did it back during the first year of faction warfare with some real life friends and carebears who wanted to PvP on new characters. We died repeatedly, but I had a stock of hundreds of pre-fitted replacement ships for us and we had a ton of fun. We even managed to make a profit on the loot dropped by kills, with each kill providing enough ISK to replace each of our ships at least twice over.
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Posted: Jul 26th 2011 10:24PM MassiveMMOGamer said

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@Brendan Drain

Ok. And exactly what is going to happen to the target audience for your article?

Granted, someone who is familiar with eve, has played before, has friends in game, lots of friends, has a bank of ISK, ships, LOTS OF SHIPS, equipment, knowledge of the game world, locations to be and not to be, etc etc etc.... "can" get in a frigate, fit it, head to the right places, and have some fun.

Is this going to happen with someone new to the game?

I'll let you answer that question since you said you have been playing EVE for a long time and are familiar with it, its playerbase, its Griefer Core Content, and the like.

CCP Self proclaims Griefing as, not only alowed, but ENCOURAGED. And where does Griefing occur in game? Is it the Griefer in a frigate spoiling the life of some 6 year vet out in 0.0? occasionaly. sure. But for the most part its some guy in a frigate DESTROYING some new player and EVERYTHING they own.

So that new person goes to the forums or help channel to see what happen. They usualy have no clue what even happen. And they find out, Griefing is not only allowed, its Core Content.... its a "feature".... pffft.

I can't help but feel like you are acknowledging everything im saying when you say "We died repeatedly, but I had a stock of hundreds of pre-fitted replacement ships for us and we had a ton of fun"

This is EXACTLY what amazes me when CCP comes out with the EXACT same sentiment you wrote about in your totally unrelated and in now way connected to, article about eve.

They constantly talk about "Youre not playing right." and "Why are people so attached to their ships...."

Which is just..... im lacking the words.

They want you to go out and loose all your hard earned ISK and Equipment.... so you have somethign to do. Play longer acquiring more ISK and equipment. Because, acquiring ISK and equipment, and then Loosing it all to a Griefer, is CORE CONTENT in eve. It just is. You can decide for yourself wether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing, but it is true.

People spend their money subscribing to the game. And then they play the game. And work at it, spending countless Hours, Days, WEEKS, mining Asteroids. Or running mind numbing missions. Or whatever other extremely boring task they do to acquire their ships and isk. Whatever it is, they work for it. It takes a long time. You get griefed at every turn......

And then CCP wants us to just throw it all away on a daily basis so it takes longer to get further in game? Serious. What kind of strategy is it when you tell people "Dont worry about it, just get out there and die.... often. Loose all your stuff, its SOOO FUN, I PROMISE!"
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