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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 11:32AM Borick said

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@(Unverified) Yeah. Limited Digital Downloads...

That's not supply and demand. It's marketing scam.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 7:54AM ishi13 said

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I actually think the CE is worth the UK price tag if you break down the costs for the product , so i ordered one .

Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:12AM Trenyt said

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@ishi13 I was a bit perturbed that there was no art book stipulated in the collectors edition. I do like looking all all the concept art regarding a game. That said the items they have put in there are reasonably nice, but are they worth 100 british sterling, that is the question.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:19AM Trenyt said

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@Trenyt I stand corrected on further digging around I came across this:

'The Journal of Master Gnost-Dural: 111 pages of notes and sketches by the revered Jedi Master from the early years of the Great Hyperspace War between the Galactic Republic and the Sith Empire. Features never-before-seen artwork and all-new information.'
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 11:09AM ishi13 said

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@Trenyt i worked on the basis £50 for the game £10 for the Soundtrack £8 for the authenticator if the statue is good quality £50 is a standard price

Leaving £10 adrift for the book and map
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 7:54AM Vorender said

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I got an email from EA this morning about this. Can I trade in a SW pre-order for a GW2 one please?

Posted: Jul 21st 2011 7:59AM Lobotomist said

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60$ for subscription game
No

Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:04AM (Unverified) said

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@Lobotomist

You must be new here.

It's ok though. That $60 will be well spent in whatever cash shop you choose.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:41AM Valkesh said

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You mean like the inevitable cash shop that will be dumped on top of the sub in Old Republic when three months down the line they have all the fanboys hooked and realize they still haven't recouped the stupid dev costs even with the outrageous box pricing?
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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@Valkesh

You're right.

We should just stray completely away from trying to make AAA Subscription MMOs and instead make subpar F2P games until the market gets so saturated all that's left is WoW and EQ.

But hey, "IF THIS HAPPENS" statements are more fun.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 7:01PM Valkesh said

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You're making a habit of missing points. Lobotomist had a problem with paying $60 for a client to a subscription game which is quite valid. $60 is an obnoxious price for a PC game period. For the client of an MMO, it's gone from exploitative to just dumb.

As for me, you seem to think I'm in favor of the fact that EA is inevitably going to cram the cash shop they so desperately want to include into this game. I don't. I am not a fan of the F2P model in the slightest as it shifts focus away from keeping the game appealing and into how to market the cash shop, and grants too much bait and switch power to the publishers/developers. That being said, your a fool if you don't think EA is going to pull that crap with Old Republic, and it's just yet another reason why this game is going to be garbage like so many other "AAA" WoW clones riding off high profile IP and catering to ultra casuals with dumbed down mechanics and generally shallow by the numbers gameplay.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:00AM AlienFanatic said

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It's so hard to be sure if the game will be worth it to me. From the videos I've seen so far, the animations seem choppy and combat seems like a sci-fi version of the same mechanics we've seen from other MMOs. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan anymore, and I'd rather have seen a game set in the original universe (esp now that SWG is going away). It's just so hard to justify $150 (on the CE) when I'm just so much in doubt.

TBH, I wish GW2 were coming this year. I'm actually much more interested in the ideas that they're discussing with GW2 than what I've heard about TOR so far. I'd love to hear from anyone that's actually played the beta (unless it breaks NDA) or at a convention to hear how TOR advances the genre. I've read articles, but frankly I don't trust gaming site writers.

Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:11AM Lenn said

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@AlienFanatic Expressing your doubts here will do nothing. If anything, it'll make you feel even worse, depending on what kind of responses you'll receive. If you doubt, don't preorder. Simple, really. It's not like you won't be able to order a copy anymore once the game is live.

And why does a game need to advance the genre for it to be worth playing? I just view most MMOs as I do popcorn movies. As fun diversions, not as groundbreaking, world-shattering works of High Art.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:39AM AlienFanatic said

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@Lenn

I suppose I should have expected a cynical answer like this, but I'm truly interested in hearing what people have seen so far.

Also, I disagree somewhat with your statement, "...why does a game need to advance the genre for it to be worth playing?" Because when a company like EA/Bioware shovels 100+M into a game, you expect that it's not going to be a clone of the existing MMOs with a fresh coat of paint. I'm not saying that's what TOR is, but setting a low bar is what keeps the genre stagnant.

I played EQ for five years. I've played WOW for roughly the same, if not a little more. I tried to play LOTRO and RIFT (beta only), but they were so similar to WOW that the burnout I'd felt for WOW quickly translated to the new games. If my expectation is that TOR might last me five years, and yet I found myself tired of it within a few months, I'd be very disappointed.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 9:08AM Apakal said

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@Lenn

"I just view most MMOs as I do popcorn movies. As fun diversions, not as groundbreaking, world-shattering works of High Art."

It must be nice to have such low standards.

I expect MMOs to last me years, especially if I'm subbing. At this point, the only thing that's going to do that is going to be fresh, genre-advancing titles. I've already been playing WoW for the past few years. If SWTOR isn't going to offer anything new, why should I bother making the switch? So I can play through the story once? No thanks. I need more substance than that.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 11:30AM Borick said

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@Apakal Well said.

I expect MORE from an MMO than I do from a single-player title. Much more.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:24AM (Unverified) said

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Am I the only one completely annoyed with the 59.99 tag on the Standard? Where's my 49.99 PC game? Did I mention I hate Bobby Kotick?

Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:35AM Vanderhosen said

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@(Unverified) Kotick is Activision-Blizzard not EA. Unless that was just a general I hate Robert Kotick statement, cause in that case sure.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:41AM (Unverified) said

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@Vanderhosen
Hating Bobby Kotick is always worth mentioning.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2011 8:50AM (Unverified) said

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@Vanderhosen Bobby Kotick started the trend with StarCraft II.
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