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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:06PM bobfish said

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Plenty of warning there... :(

Posted: Jul 13th 2011 6:47PM BluegrassGeek said

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@bobfish Uh, you've got a week. I'd say that's enough warning. Unless you were planning your vacation around something like this...
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:09PM real65rcncom said

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Think it's a sign for the coming future perhaps.

Probably a way to get people used to the "Free to play" idea gradually giving them a week now.

Still think this is odd behaviour for a game supposedly doing so well that four months out, you give free time to 'veterans' to come back and try you again.

I would think if things were going that so well with new customers replacing old ones at a faster rate as Trion claimed, why would you have to try and get the old ones back so fast?

It's not even half a year yet.

Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:20PM SnarlingWolf said

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@real65rcncom
The only people claiming it is doing well are the company press releases (which we all know are not truthful from any company) and the die hard fans.

The rest of us have been saying the game is/was losing players at a ridiculous rate. Instead of that causing discussions about why, it instead just resulted in down rated posts and fans telling us how bad and pathetic we were to say such things.

Everyone I know who ever tried the game quit within a month and a half of the game launching.

They went to a free trial insanely fast . They went to bring a friend for free as fast as they could. Now they are asking the tons of players who left to please come back and try again. All of it is a pretty clear indication that they are just losing players hand over fist and can't figure out how to keep people around/get enough new ones to replace them. Truthfully there isn't anything they can do as it is the base game design that made everyone leave. It is boring, PvP end game is grindy, and at max level (which you can get to in a week) has absolutely nothing to do. I won't even mention all the massive class imbalance at launch and how they ignored how inferior the rogue class was for two months, since I can't say that it hasn't all been addressed. However, I can say launching with such imbalance and ignoring it for so long was a massive mistake.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:20PM Tyrang said

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@real65rcncom From a strategic stand point it makes sense. Several AAA MMO are coming towards the end of the year or early next years. Games like GW2, SWTOR, TSW, and TERA. Then there are also a few big name games that is not MMO coming out like Diablo3 and Skyrim. The players who dropped out of Rift are likely to move on to these titles.Of course Trion wanna do something about it.

MMOs are games that take time to build up for each player. If they have done that much already, it could be a good time to start getting "veterans" back.

And besides, giving the "veterans" a week of free time is prolly not that much of an investment, and could mean good return if they decide to sub again.

So really, it is a good move.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:23PM bobfish said

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@real65rcncom

Every subscription MMO has welcome back events for lapsed subscribers. Trion aren't doing anything different.

I'm sure it isn't performing as well as they would've hoped, but I doubt they're ready to throw in the towel on the subscription model.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:28PM real65rcncom said

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@Tyrang

I could see that. The only thing is what you said about strategy.

That may be good to try and grab up as many as you can before the bigger AAA games come out, but it could look like you are trying to grab up as many as you can before the bigger AAA games come out.

See what I mean? That looks bad taken with the sales they've been churning out constantly. It looks like a mad dash, not "We have a great game."
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:33PM Tyrang said

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@real65rcncom

I see what you mean. Altho I don't find anything wrong with grabbing market share.

After I said that, I realize I am getting old for some reasons...
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:42PM aurickle said

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@real65rcncom
Oh, please. In the past month I've gotten at least three emails from Blizzard asking me to come back and play WoW for a free week to explore the new stuff they've added since I quit.

If come-back weeks aren't a sign that WoW is collapsing, why are they then somehow a sign that Rift is?
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:46PM Oskari said

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@SnarlingWolf

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't care if you love or hate the game. Just don't be a jerk about it in the comments. It's the rude people that I downvote, no matter what article they are commenting on. There have been a few comments that have said some pretty awful things (even at one point calling the mothers of Rift fans prostitutes) which just serve no other purpose than to get people filed up.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 5:47PM NeverDeath said

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@bobfish

Agreed. Keep in mind that the only MMO in recent years that HAS exceeded its developer's expectations was WoW. That is why it was an anomaly. So failing to exceed the developer's expectations does not make a game failed or even jeopardized, it's pretty much business as usual.

The game is doing fine. For people who like it, it is good. Trion does a great job of listening to its player base and addressing issues. In my experience alone, I've had about 9 or 10 fairly sizable complaints since headstart which have been addressed by Trion, annihilated by hotfixes and patches. They are a quality company, and if they keep their eye on the ball, then in time RIFT could be incredible. But it will depend on how far they push the envelope, or if they decide to play it safe and rest on their laurels. When a company stops trying to excel, the inevitable alternative is to settle, and that is what can make or break a game.

WoW chose several years ago to settle, about the time Activision bought them out (not so) coincidentally, and if RIFT follows suit by refusing to implement any sort of challenging content that is accessible but not simplistic (like some harder 5mans, call them elites instead of experts?) then they will begin to really decline - because if people want easy mode, they already have WoW. You aren't going to beat Blizzard by making an easier, more accessible game, because there isn't any. But you can beat them on a different front by balancing the things you already have with the addition of things which you lack, and playing to your strengths.

Time will tell what RIFT will do.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 6:37PM (Unverified) said

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@aurickle

Your right blizzard does do that, but it was years down the line not 4 months after release.

Dman aion didnt have a dree trial for over a year, then look at how many *promotions* trion has had over the few months into the games life.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 7:10PM Mystal said

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@aurickle

It's not a sign that either one is "collapsing" but in WoW's case as in RIFT's case it's a definite sign that they are past their prime and decreasing in subscription numbers.

In WoW's case, the fact that the game is past its prime is not that surprising since it IS after all 7 years old. In RIFT's case it's a little more alarming because it's not even 6 MONTHS old.

I don't think Trion has done anything wrong with their execution of the release. All things considered it's a very polished product with a remarkably smooth and stable launch, and developers who seem serious about fixing balance issues and bugs.

And yet, very few people have decided to stick with it for more than a month or two, which tells you that there's something fundamentally lacking with the game. In my opinion, it comes down to the fact that it's not a very ambitious game (apart from the soul system and Rifts, it's basically WoW without as much content) but other people might have other reasons. Either way, the game is shrinking instead of growing.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 7:41PM real65rcncom said

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@Mystal said: "In WoW's case, the fact that the game is past its prime is not that surprising since it IS after all 7 years old. In RIFT's case it's a little more alarming because it's not even 6 MONTHS old."
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Thank you for saying it that way. I say it but it comes out "RIFT is dying" apparantly to the sensitive of eye and fans.

You expressed exactly what I thought. The "WoW sends me sales mail" isn't the issue or even a relavant argument four months out.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 8:53PM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf

See how many people replied to your comment: 1, and now 2 with me. Because what you're saying offers nothing. You're here talking about a game you quit 2 and a half months ago offering nothing except doom and gloom and bashing the game fans of the game enjoy. The base game isn't boring, because it's the same base game as WoW, which is still the biggest MMO right now. If that type of game were boring, then there wouldn't be 10 million people playing WoW. It's not that the base game is boring, it's that the base game is just like WoW, not offering people enough incentive to go to Rift from WoW or choose Rift over WoW. Same thing with PVP: it's the same as in WoW, especially if you do RBG's. Same thing with endgame: you raid, and even then, WoW has recently had way less endgame content, releasing one new raid 6 months later. Yet it still has 10 million players.

If there isn't anything they can do, then why comment? Why come here to tell the fans that they like a bad game? You want discussion, but if they can't change it, then what's the point of discussion? Face it: you just want to go around in all the Rift articles and pretend you're all high and mighty and so perceptive and rub it in the face of people who honestly don't give a crap about what you think of the game and who happen to still enjoy it.

And honestly, it IS bad and pathetic of people who quit the game to continue to come and talk about how they "knew" the game would "decline." Well guess what, it's also pathetic you got suckered into a game you ended up not liking. I spend my time only reading articles and posting on articles about games that I actually like or used to play and still like. If I had a bad experience with Age of Conan, I'm not going to go home every week, go on Massively, open up any article I see about AoC, and start commenting about how I knew it was a bad game and proceed to complain about how I'm downvoted. Because I achieve nothing. People don't like having what they like insulted. You're coming in here and saying there's nothing to do at max level, and I like raiding, you're saying raiding is nothing to do. You're saying people are leaving because it's a boring game, and I enjoy it, you're saying what I like is boring. That's not going to fly over well.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 10:45PM (Unverified) said

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@aurickle Blizzard never has done free weeks like this. Do they send things out to try to get you to come back? Yes, but they never have done this.
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Posted: Jul 14th 2011 1:21AM Faith said

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@(Unverified) Yes they do, I've had my WoW account reactivated for 10-15 days in the past. It works well, because one of those times I wound up resubbing for a few months when I wasn't planning on it.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:15PM Dril said

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Honestly, even if it's free, I have nothing else to do and I'm really bored, Rift isn't worth logging onto.

I gave the game three chances to impress me (headstart, one month after and 4 months after) and it failed to do so on all of those occasions.

If you were bored with it before, I doubt another variation on the theme of "WORLD EVENT + RAID + EASY SHINIES" is going to be a big draw.

Posted: Jul 13th 2011 4:33PM (Unverified) said

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@Dril
Ditto for me. Its a very well polished game, and very beautiful. I'm just not attached enough to stay. Replay value just isn't there (yet?) . I tried to get another character to 50, to really try and buy Trion extra time to put more non-dungeon non-raid content in the game, but I just lost interest. You know you're done when you're doing a quest chain again, and it dawns on you... "Hmmm what is this feeling...whut the... I'm depressed?!? HEY this isn't fun anymore. Awh man...Damn. :( "

I'm still watching them though... Trion has been churning out updates like crazy so maybe one of them will be some fresh air and I'll have a reason to come back.

At this point, I'd rather explore new MMO worlds, than do another reputation or raid gear treadmill for ANYONE (So the problem for me isn't really Trion, its all game devs that think the same ol' is going to work forever). There are constant new MMO's being created, bold frontiers to explore... I won't be tied down any longer without a good reason.
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Posted: Jul 13th 2011 3:18PM (Unverified) said

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w/e still a better game for Wrath of the Lich King raiders like my self that quite in disgust when Cata was released. As long as Rift continues making content that caters to my tastes they'll have me logging in indefinitely; after all I played WoW for almost 6 years with out leaving Blizzard. On a side note even though I was around for Vanilla and BC I never got to raid until Wrath; at which point I was tanking raids 5 days a week. After my dry spell playing Cata I am thankful that another company has made raids that cater to my taste again.

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