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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:24PM Khai mann said

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The statement didn't say anything....

Will CCP fix some of the larger problems in EVE?
How much time will be spent on developing items for the store?
When is CCP going to fix these problems?

Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:27PM Mattx0x said

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Guy running at 4:09

Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:29PM Khai mann said

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@Mattx0x

That one of the best parts of the Video... didn't really care much about the rest...
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 6:11PM Saerain said

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@Mattx0x Honestly, I'll never touch Incarna if characters are regularly running.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:38PM Duulin said

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This video is like one of those quit smoking commercials that shows pictures of black cancerous lungs. It's inspired me to turn off the computer and go outside and get some sun.

Thank you for that.

Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:43PM Vgk said

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Good Job that video answered next to nothing, with the highlight of it being at 4:09

Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:51PM Brendan Drain said

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@Vgk The video is intended to accompny the statements in the devblog. It's those statements that answer the concerns players have. The video seems intended to show that CCP took this very seriously and it was a genuine negotiation with the CSM.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 4:09PM Ghostspeaker said

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@Brendan Drain

But if that was all they were going to do with the video, why bother? It was pretty much completely pointless. Seems like a waste of everybody's time, really.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 4:20PM Irem said

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@Ghostspeaker
The Mittani wanted to do the video so that players could see the body language and faces of the people involved, according to a post he made on GoonSwarm's forum. I think he's wary of people deciding that CCP brushed the CSM off, because text can be a cold medium.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 4:32PM Brendan Drain said

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@Ghostspeaker Personally, I did appreciate the video on top of the statement. Arnar and The Mittani look wiped out in that video. This has clearly been a difficult week for CCP and the CSM, and that video shows how much effort has gone into the negotiations over the past few days. The fact that the issues were taken that seriously goes a long way toward restoring some faith in CCP as a company. There's still a long way to go, but this definitely helps.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2011 7:16AM Royalkin said

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@Brendan Drain If each side did give the amount of concerted effort as is claimed, I congratulate them. However, I find it difficult to believe based simply on the fact that they and you tell us they have. It's impossible for the playerbase to feel 'happy' about this without knowing deep specifics of what was said and discussed.

The statement and the video only answered one question, that they will not release non-vanity micro-transactions, while this was a victory so to speak, the didn't really address another big question...

The pricing. CCP seems to think they need to explain things to us once again, because apparently we're all stupid and don't understand it. This is a farce, because we all understand their 'strategy', we just don't like it.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:45PM Nenene said

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The Mittani's got a pretty hefty set on him.

It looks like CCP got pimpsmacked back into line this time, but they clearly can't be trusted to maintain order without an absurd amount of oversight and some friendly document leakers on the inside.

Sad that it had to come to this.

Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 4:03PM Irem said

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@Nenene
CCP kind of comes off as a bunch of kids in this, and the CSM as Mom who just had to threaten to turn the car RIGHT AROUND.

This does make me feel better, though, as someone who might want to give them money someday. >_>
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 6:02PM Eamil said

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@Irem

Agreed. I'm still iffy, but I'm willing to give World of Darkness a chance as long as I don't hear about anything too bad between now and then.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 10:08PM xBludx said

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@Nenene

Very well said.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2011 2:47AM kasapina said

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I am not very satisfied - they acknowledged that communication was bad, promised that gold ammo will not be introduced, agreed that low-price items should have been implemented from the start, as well as addressed ship spinning and client performance. However, this is all just talking about the most recent instances of long-lasting issues. From a glance, I don't see them mentioning complaints about spending dev resources on something the players aren't enthusiastic about, nor overhyping said feature to get more players to care about it. I don't see them address the need for improvements in other sections of the game, that have long been neglected in favor of the unwanted features. I don't see any mention of the CSM not being consulted when implementing the vanity item prices. I don't see any mention of the 70$ monocle, aside from the "oh yeah, we should've had some cheaper items too". I don't see any mention of what caused CCP to remove a feature of the game (ship spinning) without a care for the players' opinions (the podcast regarding the fiasco actually had someone mention that this isn't the first time they've done this). I don't see any mention of why they were even talking about gold ammo, even though, you know, they aren't even allowed to consider it, previous statements and all.

They caused the biggest PR crisis in the MMO world (I hate using extremes, but this case actually calls for it). And they are getting away with it by promising that they'll look into the most glaring issue.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2011 6:29AM Irem said

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@kasapina
It's too close to call on whether or not they'll "get away" with anything--this is a good first step, but the real test will be how they handle things from now on. If they're really contrite, players should be able to bring up the things you mentioned specifically and start getting some straight answers. I can believe that this was incompetence, and not malice (if I couldn't, I would -never- consider buying one of their games again. Incompetence can at least be fixed with sincere effort), but people will be watching them very closely. If they screw up again or don't make any effort to change the way things are handled now, it's going to turn around and bite them.
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Posted: Jul 3rd 2011 10:33AM (Unverified) said

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@Irem
HAHAHAHA CCP IS ACTING LIKE KIDS?
Oh man... HAHAHAHAHA...

Okay sorry sorry. Just an observation of a mostly silent EVE player, but it's the bitter vets that seem more like children in this case, CCP took away their lollipop - lollipop in this case a metaphor for let's say, ship spinning (and yes I know this is not the most important thing people got pissed off about), and the "kids" threw a total tantrum. Then they get mad because some CCP employee said that this was predictable - and predictably - they get even more mad.
If anyone deserves a btich slap it's all those people losing their cool over anything new added to the game and believing all conspiracy theories and rumors and taking them as truth. Just my humble opinion.
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Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:51PM C Rose said

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"A man's reach should not exceed his grasp."

Seems to me that CCP had a good thing going with a loyal player-base and a nice niche craved out for themselves, but as all game developers who taste success often do, they got too greedy.

Releasing Dust 514 and also World of Darkness I think they figured why not milk their cash cow dry to increase revenue for expanding their brand and they went too far.

They got caught up in all the cold-blooded, PvP-centric, "greed is good" rhetoric that their own game tends to encourage and figured those same players would only admire such a bold and brazen move. But they didn't. They're still people with REAL bills to pay and demand honest fair pricing for frivolous virtual goods.

Lesson learned hopefully.

Posted: Jul 2nd 2011 3:52PM Paradigm68 said

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Well we waited a week and the CSM was flown in and we still don't know if EvE isn't going to turn into a cash-shop game with non-vanity items for sale.

Maybe I'm just too cynical but failing to resolve this question definitively with the assistance of the CSM by this point leads me to believe that they cannot definitively do so.

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