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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:28AM Kalex716 said

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We can always hope some righteous engineer there logs in to P4 on the last day, syncs the whole source tree down on to a few terrabyte hard drive and walks out with it. Hopefully the IT admin guys knowingly look the other way.

Lucas can then spend the next 5 years or so trying to close down private servers etc.

Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:40AM Space Cobra said

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@Kalex716

There are already several such servers and their reasoning is that they "reversed engineered" the software. They wanted a pre-NGE world and they even talked to SOE AND LucasArts and they said, according to their viewpoint, neither company really cared or minded thier intentions to start such an emulator.

So, will LucasArts back track or not? Not sure but so far, the game's been around for around 2 years and nothing has been done, even though they know its there.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:46AM (Unverified) said

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@Kalex716 Be careful I got called an idiot, the last time I suggested this here. It was also for critiquing pure capitalism. We've got some good little nationalist consumer-bots running around here.
They also suggested I move to Cuba.
Nah, I'm fine here, in the country I was wounded in Iraq for.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:48AM Beau Hindman said

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@Kalex716 I'm not sure how running an MMO for 8 years -- to the tune of hundreds of thousands of happy players and their memories -- merits the theft and distribution of all of that art, music, and code that all of those people worked their tails off making.

The thing had to close down sometime, despite being a great game. Stealing its art and assets and putting them up on a private server for 3 college-aged dudes to tinker with (as if nothing corrupt could happen when amateurs ask for "donations") is, in now way, shape or form, better, smarter or more pure than how it was ran before.

Beau
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:57AM Space Cobra said

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@Beau Hindman

I am actually leary of such efforts, too because of this. Even the art and characters can be claimed by SOE and LucasArts.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:14AM Daverator said

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@Beau Hindman

All perspective. In your view all of that work is being stolen.

In another view, SOE/LA is taking all of that work and putting it in an incinerator, regardless of what the workers, or people who invested personally feel about the situation. In this view, a few college aged tinkerers are attempting to save the artwork. It doesn't take Da Vinci to pick up a picture that is on a conveyor belt to a fire.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:19AM Kalex716 said

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@Daverator

You are definitely right Beau.

Truth is, I don't know what i would do if i was in a position to make that decision. I was just illustrating the fact that the idea could very well be in some peoples minds that are much closer to the software than we are.

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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:31AM Beau Hindman said

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@Daverator No, it's not perspective. When you steal something, you do. After all, it is their work and their right to do with it as they see fit. Just because you like something does not mean you control it.

According to logic like that, Prince or JK Rowling or any other artist has no right to their own creative freedom (which can include *ending* a creative project...every tale must end) because the fans say so.

If everyone thought that way, simply making art would be a gamble. The attitude of "it's ours because we like it, so we can control it" shows just how spoiled the instant access of the internet has made some people. I'm glad it didn't work that way here, or I'd be forced by some people to write about Gundam all day! lol

Beau
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:33AM (Unverified) said

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@Beau Hindman It's called saving CULTURE. You don't just toss it away because some fatcat can't make money off of it.
It's called curation. Visit a damn museum.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:42AM Dunraven said

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@(Unverified) Since when is Twilek ERP guilds considered culture?
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:53AM Kalex716 said

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@Beau Hindman

Yes but the example I gave wasn't someone stealing Princes music...

It was more to the effect of Prince himself, was at risk of losing the rights over some of his own property's he creatively made, and does something unlawful to preserve them.

I'm talking about the development team leaking the source. The people closest to it for all these years. Countless man hours have gone into that project from all sorts of talented people you know and love, and its your sweat and blood, and you had to choose between letting it run wild in the fires of freeware, or losing it forever, what would you choose?

Its much more interesting to debate it from that perspective than someone hacking in and stealing it from the developers who are now going to lose money from it. We're talking about a property thats closing down for good if not.

I'm not saying its not criminal all the same, cause it is, but its just a different twist, and the justifications change a bit.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 11:04AM Sente said

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@Daverator

Not really a good analogy. The game is still there with all assets and everything - it is just not available for public consumption.

Comparing it to traditional artwork, instead of being available in a museum or gallery that people can visit for a fee, it will be in the hand of a private collector which will not expose it to the public.

This does not give people the right to go and steal the property of this collector, even if they may express noble intentions.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 1:13PM Zantom said

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Capitalism is nothing more than the offspring of freedom. Lucas Arts is free to do with its own property what it wills. Be that sell to us happy good little nationalist consumer-bots or not. Would it be cool for Lucas Arts to go commie and release their stuff open and free for all to enjoy? Sure, but it is their right not to do so. The collective’s will does not out weight the individual’s rights, period. If it did, you would have the same results the world has had up until the founding of America, stagnation.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 4:51PM Daverator said

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@Beau Hindman

It is Perspective. Even if you emphatically object to it. One mans murder is another mans justice. There are those who will argue that the death penalty is immoral no matter what the guilty has done. Likewise there are people who will say that copying code (which can be duplicated indefinitely) is the exact same as stealing a finite item from someones home.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:18PM Laephis said

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@Beau Hindman

What a terribly shallow view of the world and culture in general. Not to mention a warped definition of the word "stealing", used in a weak attempt to appeal to emotion. Even if SOE wasn't tossing their property on bonfire, using an emulator to play SWG would not be stealing in any sane sense of the word: SOE and Lucas Arts would still have all their bits and bytes safely locked away in their media vault.

I am glad there are people in the world who are unwilling to kiss up to corporate, authoritarian propaganda and work to preserve unique examples of culture like this.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:34AM Lobotomist said

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SOE =Jerks

Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:01AM DeadlyAccurate said

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@Lobotomist I'd be surprised if Sony had any say in this. The IP belongs to LucasArts. I think the commenter who suggested LucasArts didn't want two competing products is right. They could have even struck an agreement with EA to shut down SWG for SWTOR.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:45AM dudes said

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Do Jawa's have a swan song?

Posted: Jun 29th 2011 9:54AM Lenn said

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@dudes Ootini.
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Posted: Jun 29th 2011 10:37AM Beau Hindman said

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@Lenn A haunting melody.

Beau
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