Blizzard's Titan a 'casual' MMO

@DevilSei
Brutal? How long have you been playing WoW?
That place is far from hardcore, maybe more so on heroic but that place is a joke, my guild have cleared half the instance already and with no PTR testing or anything like that. No, casual is exactly where they are heading at Blizzard, confirming it for Titan makes me even less interested in whatever it turns out to be, in recent years i've not been impressed with Blizzards development on WoW, so i don't hold much faith that i'd enjoy another MMO they sqeeze out.

@DevilSei WoW is casual as well. All is casual...

@DevilSei I agree if they are smart they'll make the game feel more like Wrath; I still feel burned by what they pulled with Cata. Good thing Rift came when it did.

@Royalkin The problem with most sandbox MMOs, and EVE in particular in my experience, is most of the players are just in it to throw sand at each other.

@Royalkin You're forgetting:
-Ryzom(I'm pretty sure it's sandbox)
-Runescape(sorta)
-That Mech Game... (I just played it not too long ago, can't remember it's name for the life of me.)
-Wurm
-Second Life(I think it's an MMO, and it's pretty sandboxish.)
-That Post-Apocalyptic MMO(Who's title is also fleeting my memory.)
-That other Post-Apocalyptic MMO(Fallen Earth, I'm pretty sure it's at least sorta sandboxish.)
-Minecraft, if you consider it an MMO(It isn't.)
-Terraria(Sorta sandboxish, also not really an MMO; I mean really, calling a game an MMO just because it has a lot of players and is online doesn't make it an MMO. That's like calling Call of Duty an FPS/RPG/RTS because it involves some strategy executed in real time and you are playing the role of a soldier while shooting things from a first person perspective.)

I'm sure there are more. Some of these are semi new, and some are obviously more sandboxish than others.

@Joshua Przygocki

To be fair, I've had this argument before but RPG being "about playing a role" is rather subjective. In terms of progression based gameplay based around gaining experience to gain levels and use better equipment and abilities, Call of Duty (and subsequent games using experience) could be called at least an RPG-lite styled game.

In that case, Call of duty could be considered a hybrid of heavy FPS gameplay with some RPG elements. It also does combat balancing between levels a hell of a lot more fairly than Earthrise. But again that would be an unfair comparison in the first place.

@DevilSei That's my point. RPG LITERALLY means Role Playing Game, just as MMO LITERALLY means Massively Multiplayer Online. RPGs have more than just role playing a character though, you have character progression and customization of some sort. Just like an MMO is more than an online game with a lot of players, it would need to have persistence and a world within the game along with player interaction.

@Royalkin you do know the vast majority of eve players are casual, hell you only thing that require you to play for more than 10 minutes at a time is missioning and low sec travel

@Royalkin Don't forget ArcheAge! If it's even half as good as the devs ambitious plans are for it, it'll be a hell of a sandbox.

http://archeage-online.com/
http://www.archeage.com/en

Ok, that's my limit for proselytizing for the month.

@Royalkin

But, but television is more linear than themepark MMOs...

@hereafter God, your right. Aaaaaaagh!

@Joshua Przygocki

Secret World is probably the post apocalyptic game you're thinking of. I think it's only quasi-sandboxed though. Lots of freedom with character development though. There aren't set professions/classes.

@Allegos
If it LOOKS anything like Burning Crusade, I may have to give it a try, god help me.

@Allegos

tigole (Jeff Kaplan) is supposed to be the lead designer.. whatcouldpossiblygowrong?!?!

WoW has been so much better off ever since he stepped down, good riddance. I've no interest in Titan, it's going to be grindy gearfest as all his other designs.