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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:50PM Kaahn Stewart said

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Just curious as to whether you had the chance to see the latest Dev Blog from CCP Zulu or not, and if you have if you have any comment. After reading it objectively rather than in my first rage-filled, blood-thirsty state, a little bit of faith in CCP has been restored, especially with the emergency call for the CSM. Here's hoping they haven't completely forsaken us.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:20PM Brendan Drain said

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@Kaahn Stewart Definitely. The devblog came out just before this post was heading to Bree for editing, but I included the details of it in there quickly. The apology, answering the main question of whether CCP was planning to add game-changing microtransactions and the CSM summon was really the absolute best thing CCP could have done, and the best reaction we could have hoped for.

Recent events (especially the leaked email) have made me feel that CCP as a company had made the strategic decision at the CEO level to ignore the current players, or worse purposely discard them. If it really is that bad, there's pretty much no way back from it. But the fact that the CSM is being flown in to help sort it out contradicts that feeling, and so restores a flicker of hope.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:27AM (Unverified) said

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@Brendan Drain

It looks more like a desperate PR move after driving a significant portion of the playerbase into un-subbing (which is the "action not words" CCP said they listen to). Just because they finally realised what a CF this is doesn't restore my faith in them.

Anyone who actually still played EvE and understood the playerbase (or reality) would never have pushed the current MT model.

I quit a month ago just because of how core EvE gameplay has been ignored so CCP can focus on Dust514 and WoD (Incarna is nice but is a test for WoD). I don't pay a $15 subscription to bankroll a companies other games.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:52PM nearmys said

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Wow, I've had a very on again off again relationship with EVE but from this moment forward it is strictly off.

I used to have a lot of respect for ccp. Now there just the same greedy bastards as every other game company.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:20AM (Unverified) said

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@nearmys

I re-upped with an old PLEX just to give away all my cash and assets.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:56PM Thorium88 said

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Just because other subscription games have cash shops doesn't make it fair play. I think Eve players, particularly vets, have a right to say, "No, not here, not in my Eve."

But saying that will do us no good. Other companies get away with this because there are plenty of gamers with more money than brains. And CCP is clearly intent on exploiting these players. There is no way that the cash shop will remain limited to vanity items only.

The cash shop is not there for the players' benefit, it is there to produce additional revenue. As the walking-in-stations expands so too will the cash shop. Players once imagined that in Incarna they might become the manufacturers of clothing, gear, weapons, etc. for that environment. But now it seems far more likely that the Noble Exchange will become the sole source of goods for the station environment.

Eve itself may not have died, but I'm beginning to believe that the dream has.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:16PM (Unverified) said

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@Thorium88

Players who voluntarily agree to a transaction are not being exploited. Some players have more money than time and would be happy to pay to be able to do more in game.

P2P and a cash shop are the wave of the future despite all the protests by hardcore gamers, who, as has been discussed on this site before, are simply time rich. Developers would much rather earn a higher return from players who are cash rich, and I don't blame them.

The world is moving from a horse and buggy to the automobile, and current players are going to be more obsolete unless they cough up the cash. Ultimately, CCP's failure here was moving too quickly. They should have introduced the cash shop with less expensive vanity items, then added weak weapons, ships and ammo, and then gradually increased the quality and price of each.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 10:11AM (Unverified) said

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@Thorium88

I absolutley love it how now apparently a horde of EVE players are downrating comments that don't condemn NEX store. Hell, the same thing is happening in the forums, people lay a ton of smack on you if you don't join in the "FUCK YOU CCP" crowd.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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@Tempes Magus

Obviously saying "fuck you ccp I'm unsubbing my trillion alts" is more enticing discussion, most of these posts even here on massively are nothing but conspiracy theories and same old whine that the official eve forums are full of. Anyone who doesn't badmouth CCP gets downrated regardless if their post is well worded and thought out. So I can't help but think there's a load of bitter vets now having nothing better to do than downrate "voices of dissension."
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Posted: Jun 28th 2011 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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@Tempes Magus

I have, they could, I dunno, unsub and leave and leave for good instead of sticking around in the forums spewing death threats.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:57PM Laurs said

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When i used to play WoW and something like this got added to the game (sparkly flying pony, remote auction house, remote guild chat, additional x-realm functionality for dungeon grouping, etc) the players no only protected Blizzard's decision, but mocked and ridiculed the ones (like myself) that proposed a cash shop in a p2p game is outrageous.
Really speaks volumes about the average intellectual capacity of players like WoW's and the people that play EVE. Even though i don't play EVE myself, i wish every community of every MMO was like EVE's.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:30PM Nenene said

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@Laurs
I ended up talking with my money at that point and got out of WoW while the getting was good-- right after the RealID fiasco. I figured out after that that they didn't have my best interests at heart and had fallen into the 'golden goose' mentality.

Which is good, if the state of Cataclysm's lore is to be believed.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:31PM Averice said

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@Laurs

A good portion of WoW base did not want these types of transactions. I wouldn't say the player base is less "intelligent", I would say they are larger and therefore have a broader range of reactions. Seriously, whether or not someone cares about cash shops has zero bearing on their intelligence.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:42PM Nenene said

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@Averice
There's nobody who is more happy about getting utterly screwed over than a WoW player, and that's the truth.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:54PM slickie said

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@Nenene

I disagree with you as well. You seem like the sort of ex-WoW player who believes himself to be smarter and superior to current WoW players, who you believe to be too stupid to quit a game that is obviously garbage. Right?

Right now, it doesn't seem like Blizzard will be adding things that confer an ingame advantage to their item store, which puts them one rung above CCP.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:06AM Utakata said

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@Tempes Magus

I will add that I suspect CCP took some inspiration from Blizz when it decided to introduced a cash shop with high price tags. And the money likely they raked in with their first steed, Blizz was rolling naked in it. This was certainly a que for others to follow suit....with the attitude being, hey if the big boys are getting away with it, let's see if we can do the same...

...accept when one is dealing with a tighter nit community with a less subscribership like CCP...it may not go over as well. And it obviously didn't.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:59PM Slayblaze said

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It'll be most interesting to see the long term effects of this. Has CCP finally been the company introducing micro-transactions that push the envelope way too far regarding player's tolerance of high prices that end up ruining their own game, or is it merely a temporary bump in the road that will be forgotten months from now as players slowly adapt and accept the outrageous rmt prices as the "new normal"? My guess is that they'll accept it - certainly grudgingly at first as already evidenced - but they will find a way to convince themselves it's not so bad or could be a lot worse. Self-deception is a strong factor, and EVE players seem to have a remarkable ability and aptitude for it. Not that they're alone in the Gaming World in that regard, but c'mon now... this goes way beyond what should even be considered as acceptable to any Gamer.

EVE players: Vote now and drop your sub, and request a pro-rated refund for unused sub time. Better yet, demand it and never even look back.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 12:19AM kasapina said

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CCP, in my opinion, needs to burn and die. It's not that I like seeing gaming companies go bankrupt and players losing their online homes, even less when most of those players are as dedicated as the EVE fanbase is. However, that company has passed the point of no return, if there is any at all, when it comes to arrogance and contempt for the playerbase. They clearly knew of the player opinion on the topic, yet they made plans for game-influencing MT, going against their previous statements and consciously putting prices that were much higher than expected, on the vanitiy MT. They further released a technically flawed patch, something that should be unforgivable, yet has been done on a regular basis. They have consistently failed to properly communicate with their community for a very long time (their PR is notorious for ineptitude). They spent a huge amount of development time on something that was both unwanted and unneeded for a good amount of the capsuleers, something they made mostly for use in another game, and something that was overhyped and underdelivered. It is a very bad example of the EVE fanbase's tolerance for the company's failures that all of these issues have remained for so long and are only causing this PR crisis after being brought to attention all at once in a coincidence that is so bad that can even look intentional.

CCP's actions are the worst examples of bad developer policies, all put together in a single PR accident I wouldn't believe possible if I hadn't seen it unfold with my own eyes in the last couple of days. And if a company that has failed this much in the eyes of its players recovers from this, the fiasco would also be the worst example of player tolerance. Not only because the issues that combined to cause this are by themselves newsworthy, but also because they have been going on for years.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:01PM (Unverified) said

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One point your didn't mention regarding the high prices of the items in the noble exchange shop is their relationship to the rest of the eve market. By only providing expensive items in the initial release of the noble exchange the limit the demand for them to only the players will to pay the high price. If they had brought these items in at prices that were reasonable or even cheap, a large portion of players would have bought Plex off of the in game market with isk. What happens when you get high demand for a item of limited supply? Prices go up, drastically. The price of plex is tightly linked to the stability of eve's economy. Destabilising that would have caused far more damage to the game.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 8:28PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) replying to my own post here.

Why does it always list me as Unverified? It says you are commenting as "Indyin" but when I look at post, it alway says Unverified.
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