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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 5:41PM (Unverified) said

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All they had to do was say that in the first place, there only one reason they didn't. it was true.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 5:59PM HokieKC said

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@(Unverified) - I don't think it's true either. CCP is running one MMO while simultaneously developing two others. They can't be in very good financial shape.

Dust 514 is using the 'Aurum currency' so that's part of the reason why CCP is implementing it into EVE now. CCP's long-term plans in regards to that currency are more than likely set in stone due to the interaction with Dust 514 and having to deal with Sony (those contracts are signed and done).

That Aurum currency is going to have to be more relevant than just vanity otherwise Sony never would have made the deal. Therefore, it's going to be more than just vanity in EVE as well. It's a 'pay to win' currency long-term. I highly doubt CCP can change that now.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:17PM Zethe said

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@HokieKC

(Dust 514 is using the 'Aurum currency' )

This is something i was not aware of. Is this 100% confirmed?

If so....In order to use dust as we've been told in the future might be a large part of the eve game we would have to convert PLEX into Aurum?
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 6:35PM Eamil said

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@Zethe

At a guess, Dust players will probably be buying Aurum directly at the same rate as PLEX ($20-ish = 3500). Depending on how you interpret their statement that some items in Dust will be available through ISK and some will be Aurum-only, the results may be good or bad (although Dust is "free-to-play" to begin with so I don't see as much reason to demonize a "power for cash" model).
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:52PM Sorithal said

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@HokieKC

Yeah, that's basically how it seems things are going.

I imagine with players being able to buy time cards in-game and such, that's overall hurt them more than helped them.

So instead of admitting they have financial problems to the playerbase (which, you know, would probably cause the real supporters to be sympathetic and probably buy in to the ridiculous prices to help support CCP), they've tried to keep it all a secret and once the secret was out all hell broke loose.

Or Bobby Kotick possessed the higher-ups. Who knows.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 11:35PM (Unverified) said

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@Sorithal

the only reason you can buy GTC in game is because SOMEONE ELSE paid for it with Cash, they're not losing any money to lost subs because of selling GTC in game lol. in fact they're collecting time paid for prolly years in advance

there was a kill mail quite a while ago with like someone carrying 50+ plex's thats 4 years worth of subscription time that were all paid for already.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:35PM Nenene said

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They're playing for time. Probably until they can meet with their CSM and try to figure out how to screw their playerbase over in a way they'll find palatable. Hey, it worked for Blizzard.

So predictable.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 8:07PM Sorithal said

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@Nenene

Tbh Blizzard has pretty much ruined their main series. Warcraft as an RTS is dead, and lore-wise it's a joke now. Starcraft II's story has turned to a joke and they're just trying to rake in more money via making the three racial campaigns completely separate games (and of course like usual you'd have to get all three of them to see the full story of Starcraft 2). Also Starcraft 2's gameplay has apparently been dumbed down majorly so it's not as e-sportsy as Starcraft (at least that's what I've heard from some major elitist friends).

Seems like the only one standing that hasn't been completely warped is Diablo, but I won't be surprised if Diablo 3 gets a cash shop or something.
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Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:47PM Sorithal said

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So... it takes a massive controversy, followed by a condescending response which causes even greater controversy, all for them to send out a bit of an apology, a very faint re-assurance, and what dumbs down to the typical response message: "We're discussing it."

To me it seems the week has dumbed down to this:

1. Emails leaked. CCP: "OH **** OUR PLANS WERE UNVEILED EVERYONE STAY QUIET."

2. Response. CCP: "You guys obviously aren't used to change/innovation like this. You players are horrible."

3. Apology. CCP: "Kay guys sorry about all that, no hard feelings? We'll make you all happy and have a meeting to figure out a new game plan to NOT piss you off when we do implement those plans that were leaked."

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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Seems like Dust514 will experience this kick-back x100, since Aurum is given to you when buying the game, then for purchasing equipment (golden bullets), then for potential upgrades. If they think people will shell out $$ for new equipment, when they can just get it for free in any other FPS, they need their heads checked. The hubris from CCP is palpable, which is upsetting because I do think the idea of treating an MMO as a platform to perpetually build on is revolutionary; a game like Dust would normally be crack to me, but I don't have faith that they're going to be the ones able to pull it off.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 8:16PM Lateris said

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Well lets see what happens. This is a positive step.

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 11:09PM Skyydragonn said

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"Its time slike this when me must look at what the developer(players) does and not what they say they will do."

Sound familiar? kinda like the conference memo that was leaked?

Posted: Jun 26th 2011 11:34PM CaseyTheBrash said

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CCP is used to being the "good guy" and it seems to have gone to their heads. Their CEO assumes the whining will pass and they can get back to fleecing soon enough, and that sort of message can only serve to set a tone for collective thinking at CCP. I'm imagining DUST, now I'm imagining it not live up to anyone's expectations, hopefully that will humble them some and they'll revert to a slightly more player-centric view and give up trying to emulate Activision/EA. As it stands they may have damaged their sense of entitlement beyond repair, once you build yourself up to a certain height it's hard to step down, usually people have to be pushed or they fall.

It's ok to hate your customers a little bit, that human nature and what-have you, but once they are stripped of any form of humanity and just become numbers to crunch, meh. CCP has always relied on people believing they gave more of a crap than other companies, it's one of their selling points. If they want to give it up to sell cyberdolly crap (nothing against this in principle just usually in practice I hate it) and cash in while they can, it's their monkey they can spank it as they see fit, but I will take a certain glee in watching them crash.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 2:53AM Pasha said

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A year ago CCP saId "we don't have plans to implement microtransactions" - and implemented mAcrotransactions. Now they say "we don't have plans to implement "gold ammo" - so I expect "platinum ammo" in a year.

I'm so sure about it I've already started to save money to purchase it - by cancelling 2 alt accounts.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:43AM PhelimReagh said

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@Pasha
The important part of interpreting this kind of corporate-speak is the word "plan". If they say they don't have a "plan", most players interpret that as meaning "intentions". However, in the corporate world, specifically MMO gaming companies, "plan" in that context is flack-speak for "formalized implementation plan for an upcoming change".

This gives the company cover to pursue exploring and designing any such potential change, and gives them a form of "legal" cover.

Unless a company comes out and says "no way, not ever", you have to learn to interpret what they're trying to say, and the leeway they're trying to leave themselves.
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Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:09PM Protheus said

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I don't understand why they are flying over the CSM.

They are only using the CSM as a soundboard. If the CSM makes sound and CCP does not compute, how will "flying the CSM over for meetings" make things better if they are not listening to them on advice they are giving ?

I think it is all a trick to calm us down.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 3:15PM runzwithsizzorz said

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The CSM are meeting with Devs??? What do the devs have to do with CCP's business model? People are acting like CCP Soundwave is making all of the MT decisions and giving him hell for it. They only thing that devs are going to be able to tell CSM is "The decision didn't come from me".
The CSM will be placated, and in turn, they will attempt to placate us. The people they really need to talk to are the folks that we never see.

Posted: Jun 27th 2011 5:31PM Transientmind said

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Heh. I like the canned pieces he was forced to work in. It's very careful language.

"We have asked the CSM to join us... to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy. The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE"
Tanslate: "This is happening. We need a little help figuring out how to get you to swallow it."

'Defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy' - first, in corp-speak, strategy is not abandoned. Defining and iterating on are both incredibly narrow lexical choices; they're massaging your expectations of what impact will be possible. Also, I like, "how virtual goods and services WILL evolve in EVE." Again, this is more firm, 'get used to the idea' language.

It's like a less clumsy version of when ham-fisted telemarketers call you and discuss the new mobile plan that you 'will' be going on today, and what benefits you 'will' receive. It's assumption, and it's a powerful oratory tool.

Wouldn't be surprised if those two lines were written for him, or he had been given a few fairly precisely-worded similar options to work into his statement.


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