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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:27PM Decados said

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Why do I smell some of Ryan Dancy's special breed of ineptitude behind some of these decisions. The man made himself a persona non grata in the tabletop RPG industry and this just smacks of a brilliant idea out of his noggin now that he's working at CCP.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:33PM Lateris said

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I don't agree with his post at all. With the type of "customer" base that Eve online has this could really kill Eve Online. If you don't play then you really have no idea.

It is a strange day really. SWG closes and CCP becomes the new Smedley. I can't believe I even typed that. I can't believe they are going through with this. The integrity of CCP used to be the envy of the industry.

I can understand the 99.00 fee, apple does the same thing for software. But the micro transaction is a massive slap in the face.


Jeff- this truly is the last stand against micro trans actions.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:39PM Sharuk said

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This is the quickest fall from grace I have ever seen for a gaming company. From one of them most loved by fans and critics to the bad guys (deservingly so) in a week.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:46PM Sorithal said

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So much for looking forward to the World of Darkness MMO.

Guess I'll just have to stick with VtM Bloodlines :/

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:49PM (Unverified) said

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I had a blast tonight in the protests, spamming local and shooting monuments. Probably the most fun I have had in eve in ages. A bit like the poll tax riots, but at home with a beer.

I think it was the apocalypse dance though. We knew CCP were detatched from the fanbase but this was right out of the blue. I guess the intention was to see what the market would bear then adjust to that. Well, I think many won't care about the cash shop but once a game like eve looses it's cool factor it won't last long.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:56PM Bitter EVE vet said

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@ Amy, @ n3verendR

There are two reasons for the community to be upset.

1. The Lead Eve designer said he wanted to gradually add MT to the Eve Universe (ie, Ships, mods, standings, etc) from the leaked document.

2. how CCP have responded to the community's request for answers with a shocking F**k Y*U .

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:56PM Mode7James said

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One more thing - I remember reading about the new PLEX for Aurum and thinking that 1 PLEX was an incredibly high price to spend for this new currency. If I want to get something on XBLA I can spend $5, $10, $25, $50 for credits which I can then purchase things. Most things being around the $5 - $10 mark. I was assuming the items in the store would be small $0.50 quick purchases that we'd all spend about $30 right off the bat buying everything in the store. Unfortunately this was not the case, and I fear they have ruined the entire system in its incubation period.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 7:57PM Transientmind said

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I'm seeing a lot of, "Wah, I can't buy game-time with ISK because the prices went crazy! You've list me as a customer!"

...If you weren't spending money on subscription and were using ISK to do it instead... you weren't actually a customer.

"Wah, you locked your window now I can't steal stuff out back of your shop anymore! I'm going to go rob someone else now! Except no-one else sells the same stuff so in a few months I might gave and buy some of yours."
"Good."

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:04PM Fabius Bile said

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@Transientmind actually most of that ISK was being generated by selling PLEX. So yeah, you were a customer, just thru a hop...

if noone bought game time with ISK, there would be no PLEX market, so noone would buy PLEX to sell, so CCP's income would hurt just the same.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:00PM Fabius Bile said

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CCP are definetly going to notice the hit.

the problem with EvE is that is not your average MMO. people might quit WoW left and right, but you can be sure that there's someone else joining to take the spot.

EvE feeds on its hardcore, veteran playerbase, and thats the one they have pimp slapped with Incarna.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:04PM Irem said

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@Fabius Bile
This, exactly. They're not Blizzard and they can't afford to waste player good will knowing that they have an 11 million+ strong subscriber base who will mostly keep paying. It's arrogant from Blizzard, but it's reckless from CCP.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2011 1:45AM Saerain said

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@Fabius Bile I'm not sure about there being a hit to notice. It's certainly too early to tell right now, as almost no canceled subscriptions would have expired yet, but there's already more accounts online today than there were last week, albeit only by about 2.5k.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:00PM Irem said

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This is such an incredible shame.

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:04PM Transientmind said

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Also, "OMG people will be able to buy PLEX, sell it for ARUM then use that to buy ships, instead of buying PLEX, selling it for ISK, then using that to buy ships! Giant world-breaking change!"

Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:10PM Fabius Bile said

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@Transientmind naaaaaaaaaaaaah, letting the company dictate the market (probably EvE's main and most important feature) in a sandbox game?

change? what change? what is people complaining about?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:13PM Irem said

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@Transientmind
We're talking about a difference between buying an item that's part of the player economy and buying one that isn't. Yes, it's going to affect the economy, because the elements that go into making a player-sold ship or what have you aren't there when you're buying directly from the shop. No ore was mined for it, no materials changed hands, no blueprints needed to be purchased. If it's much simpler to get a good ship from the cash shop than to purchase one from a player, how do you think that's going to affect EVE when a large part of the gameplay is based around ingame economics?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:21PM Transientmind said

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@Irem

So ISK that could have been going to the miners/manufacturers will go to the invisible NPCs instead, right? Basically, reducing the amount of ISK in the world, slowing inflation?

Slowing inflation is always stupid, right?
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 9:16PM Luk said

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@Tempes Magus
"That is inflation. It's not necessary and only caused by greed."
Well said and I could not agree more.
Regarding EvE going F2P and MT, that is impossible to happen, because this is the only reason CCP is making money on players who just maintain subs to train skills for months. Skills as neverending time sink is something that keeps subs going and going.
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Posted: Jun 25th 2011 5:13AM mrdryden said

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@Tempes Magus who said "If they want a cash shop, especially one this expensive, then they need to get rid of the subscription.
One or the other has to go. Either the cash shop goes or the subscription goes."

Why?

I've read your posts for some time now and I respect your opinion, so explain to me why it has to be an either/or? This is, to me, a dangerously binary argument to have.

If the cash shop sold items that were this expensive that were necessary to game play, like, say, ammo; I could then see this argument being valid.

But if what they're selling are simply vanity items that basically prove how rich/status minded you are, then how is this an issue?

And you of all folks know that the concept of introducing various pay to win items is speculative at this point, at best; if one chooses to believe the devblog (and I honestly can't see why one would choose not to) then all the things in the Fearless document were various devil's advocate arguments and nothing more. There are no plans at this point to do anything beyond what we've seen, that any gamer knows about other than in their worst fears, and CCP's own internal discussions.

I really do find the general lack of faith disturbing here, honestly. Eve is a great game and I cannot understand the rush to judgement on all of this, it's like hearing CCP stubbed their toe and assuming not only are they dying, but the entire Ragnarok fast approacheth.
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Posted: Jun 24th 2011 8:06PM Deadalon said

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Now we know why CCP hired economist into EVE. To ruin everything... thats their job isn't it ?

I feel ashamed beeing from the same country as CCP devs atm. Really... they can go to hell.

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