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Posted: Jun 15th 2011 8:41PM DrewIW said

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Casting their net wider and wider.

Are the subscriptions and GTC not enough?

Posted: Jun 16th 2011 4:59AM Dril said

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@DrewIW

Agreed.

CCP are fast becoming as bad as all the f2p devs.

Pathetic.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 7:38AM halfcaptain said

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@Dril

Oh boo hoo.

EVE, to my knowledge, is the only mmo that will have a functionally cash-free item shop. If you don't have much real money, you can pay for everything from your sub to shoes in ISK with a little elbow grease. That is a far cry from the f2p titles you're alluding to.

Asking for 3rd party developers to throw a little money in the pot for a license that 1) gives them new and improved access to API data, and 2) allows them to use the EVE IP for profit is not at all a greedy move. It's progressive of CCP to legally bless the efforts of enterprising individuals. The only thing pathetic here is the willingness of *ahem* people to brand a world-class studio greedy for trying to legally protect its intellectual property.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 9:10AM mikejr said

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@DrewIW

This is actually a very good thing, no small percentage of EVE's players are programmers - and the 3rd party tools seem to follow the same patter: excellent tool/app, followed by good support, followed by waning support, followed by total developer burnout. Probably the best case in point is Capsuleer - I would have gladly paid $.99 for the app to support the developers.

I expect to see higher quality tools (a la EVE Mon, EFT, etc) come from this.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 9:12AM fallwind said

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@halfcaptain "EVE, to my knowledge, is the only mmo that will have a functionally cash-free item shop. If you don't have much real money, you can pay for everything from your sub to shoes in ISK with a little elbow grease. That is a far cry from the f2p titles you're alluding to."

I think you fail to grasp how PLEX etc work... Someone has to buy all the items on the market. If you buy yours for ISK it doesn't mean that someone else didn't buy it for cash. If you could buy it outright from an NPC for ISK without anyone in the chain paying cash you would have a point.

There is no difference between two people buying 1 plex each, and one person buying two plex and selling the unused one to someone else.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 10:54AM halfcaptain said

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@fallwind

How have I not understood? I didn't say that you couldn't use cash in the item shop. All i'm saying is there is and will be the option to pay with ISK. There will always be people buying up PLEX for easy billions, i thought that was obvious here. You, sir, are the one that is confused.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 11:49AM fallwind said

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@halfcaptain but there isn't, SOMEONE has to buy it with cash. You can not buy them straight up for ISK, you can buy them off someone else who paid cash for isk. That isn't cash free.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 5:27PM (Unverified) said

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@failwind

The point is, it can be free to YOU, which is an option that you won't find in the previously-referenced f2p games.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2011 11:31PM Skyydragonn said

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@halfcaptain

two factual inaccuracies here.

1) Being that this is exactly how F2P games function. Most of them allow playes willing to put the work in to gain any item from the cash shop through gameplay. So what's your argument here?

2) This move sets a very bad precendent for other developers. How would you feel if you were cahrged a licencee fee becuase your app access WoW armory data? Data mind you that is readily avialable for free? Oh wait you want to use the armory itself and not an app, well theres now a fee associated with that too, since we lincence out that info we can cahrge you for it too!.
While the move does have its merits for the addon/mod developers its also the very tip of a very dangerous slope. how long before EA starts charging us to view our season reconds for Maddden and Fifa? Or before CoD starts charging us to view our ranking lists...oh wait...we're seeing that not.
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Posted: Jun 15th 2011 8:58PM Arsinek said

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Will I be able to aim my guns myself?

Posted: Jun 15th 2011 9:00PM ScottishViking said

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@Tempes Magus

How could you even begin to compare Morrowind and Oblivion's pricing philosophies' with those of an MMO? You're out to lunch!

Posted: Jun 15th 2011 9:40PM (Unverified) said

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@Tempes Magus

This simply allows people with some entrepreneurial spirit to potentially make some money legally while supporting our favorite space MMO. A $99 license fee is nothing and CCP should be thanked for making the barrier of entry so low.
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Posted: Jun 15th 2011 10:52PM Jade Effect said

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@Tempes Magus

The intellectual property of Oblivion belongs to Bethesda. You try to charge money for any user-created content, Bethesda has full rights to come after you. You have no right to make money off their intellectual property. That's why user-created content are free, not because modders are all feeling super generous.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 9:17AM fallwind said

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@Tempes Magus "Maybe this is a prelude to providing customers with a license to develop for the game, allowing the company to hire less, fire developers and get paid by other people for the privilege to develop for them."

This is what worries me too... why develop good player tools when you can let the players do that AND get paid by them in the process?
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 11:22AM halfcaptain said

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@fallwind

oh, come on. if anything outsourcing apps provides CCP with more time to focus on the game proper. besides, do you really think ccpreally needs $99 annually from like 100 licenses? i don't know if you read the official word, but since you probably didn't, these commercial licenses are ROYALTY FREE. That doesn't sound greedy to me.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 11:54AM fallwind said

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@halfcaptain the UI is part of the game too. Character planning tools are part of the game too. Level design (no applicable to CCP, but I'm looking at you, FPS industry) is part of the game too.

Why hire a GUI expert when you can just make a crappy interface and rely on the players to make on half way usable (*cough* WoW *cough*)
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Posted: Jun 15th 2011 9:16PM Verus said

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CCP running out of money ?

Posted: Jun 15th 2011 10:00PM PrimeSynergy said

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Call me crazy, but I don't see how this is bad for anyone.

CCP wins because they can make money from people developing third party apps based around their game.

Developers of these services win because now they can make money for their efforts where they weren't allowed to before.

The players win because now there will be an incentive for better third party apps. If people are going to charge for it, someone somewhere is going to make sure they stand out by doing it better than everyone else that way they can make sure people feel their getting their money's worth.

I just don't get it. There is no loser in this situation...

Posted: Jun 15th 2011 11:44PM Unshra said

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@PrimeSynergy Agreed, also this should come as little surprise to EvE followers as it was brought up back when "Capsuleer" was shutting down partly due to cost.
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Posted: Jun 16th 2011 2:20AM Vagrant Zero said

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@PrimeSynergy Very true. However the internet is full of self-entitled whino morons who will take offense at this fairly rational move.

Speaking of self-entitled whino whores: http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Teala/062011/21781_EVE-Onilne-CCP-MONEY-GRAB-Yeah-lets-go-after-the-little-guys#comments

Yes yes I know I know death to me for linking to the cesspit that is mmorpg.com. Here I'll just go ahead and downvote myself, save you lot the trouble.
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