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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 11:03AM Nerves said

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@delphinius81
Indeed. You'll have to go back in to complete Volume 2, but it's not so bad. The place is a bit of a maze, though, and can be Extremely frustrating for first timers and those that can't wrap their heads around all the zones being stacked on top of each other.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 11:26AM Sorithal said

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@aurickle

That's nice to know. Moria really is a huge clusterf*ck of quests that throw you all over the place at the same time, which really gets irritating. I hope they'll take a look at Moria and streamline it better at some point in the future. It really does look great and it's cool to be down there, but... it just feels so off, and it's hard to focus on quests with how you get sent in so many directions at once.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:37PM aurickle said

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@Nerves
Actually, I think the problem is that they're NOT stacked on top of each other even though they claim to be. So they're telling you one thing and even giving you various cues for it in places, but then the opposite is what's actually going on.

Water Works is supposedly directly beneath western Durin's Way. You can even jump down the well in the Crossroads and land in the Water Works. But what's really happening is that you're being teleported a considerable distance south on the map.

To verify this, just look at the map and watch your coordinates as you mouse across it. All of Moria is one big zone. When you move from the northern part of the map to the southern part the Y coordinate continuously rises. There really is no portion of the map that's under any other portion.

So as you ride from Crossroads to the Rotting Cellar, you are losing elevation as you'd expect. You're also constantly moving south. But when you arrive, all the text and lore are telling you that you haven't really gone south at all and are supposedly back beneath where you began. Hence, confusion. :)
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 4:26PM Softserve said

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@aurickle Even on a basic level you can do most Lothlorien quests at Level 55.

While I like Moria a lot, there are plenty of ways to get around it now.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 11:16AM Sorithal said

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The Legendary sounds really tempting. Especially since it means I could hop back into LotRO and not worry as much about playing it F2P.

Posted: Jun 7th 2011 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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Definitely looking to get the Legendary Edition there. As a FTP player the included quest lines more then make up for the price. I already have the Moria expansion and one other, but doesnt bother me at all. The other goodies included i think will make up for that. Either way 50 bucks for all that content for a FTP player is absolutely great and would be a shame to let it go by.

Posted: Jun 7th 2011 11:42AM (Unverified) said

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If I pick up the legendary edition, will i be able to play mostly f2p after that? Or will i still have to dole out little payments here and there to avoid massive grind?

Also how substantive is 1000 turbine points?

Thanks :)

Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Well, you'll need to unlock a series of zones in order to actually reach the content in the Legendary edition (assuming you haven't already) without just grinding, though with the 1000 points you'll get from the purchase you'll actually be able to manage that, I think. Especially since you'll already have a mount and the mount skill itself is 65 TP. 1000 points usually costs more than the $10 difference between the $29 and $39 versions, too.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:33PM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Well, that sounds reasonable, I was just worried that the content packs that come with it might be insufficient to reach the Isengard content.

So if the Legendary opens up enough content to level comfortably to Isengard, what additional benefits would a subscription provide?
Thanks for any help :)
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:38PM Nerves said

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@(Unverified)

In terms of high-level content (50-75), you're really just about set.

You'll be missing some leveling gaps from 30-50, but using the 1k points bonus, it shouldn't be too bad to make that up.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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@Nerves Perfect :)

Seems like a great time to jump in.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:51PM aurickle said

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The base F2P account gives you access to Ered Luin, Shire, Bree-Land and Lone Lands. It also includes the epic storyline which will take you to other zones but not give you any of the non-epic quests in those zones.

The Legendary Edition gives you access to Trollshaws and Eregion, then all of Moria and beyond.

So what you won't have for free are: North Downs, Evendim, Forchel, Misty Mountains and Angmar (except for the Volume I epic quests).

If you do everything in Lone Lands, you'll be about 32. Trollshaws is for levels 32-48, although there are some dry spells in there. You can compensate for that with skirmishes. Also, the Legendary Edition gives you the 25% XP boost pocket item which gives a bonus for all monster kills including for deeds and in skirmishes. You'll have a bit of grinding during the Trollshaws, but it won't be bad at all. Once you hit 48 you can comfortably go to Eregion and from there you'll have way more XP than you need.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 1:06PM (Unverified) said

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@aurickle Thank you for the detailed breakdown, that sounds very manageable, plus I can probably use the 1000 points to help out at points as well.

Looking forward to diving in :)
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:33PM gildhur said

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Great news, great cosmetics, great preorder bonuses.

A store preorder option would be nice as many of us have been saving up TP for just that reason.

Also disheartening to see only one 24-man raid featured. No full instance cluster with 3-mans, 6-mans, and 12-man raid? Kelsen mentioned in the Freep rewards thread that there were 2-3 gear sets for each class coming just after RoI, so it looks like no cluster until after? Not much of an expansion then, just a few connected quest packs.

Posted: Jun 7th 2011 1:47PM alphaman00 said

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@gildhur The raid is just part of the teaser. There's bound to be plenty of smaller instances (they've been throwing lots of em at us in recent updates)
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 6:45PM gildhur said

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@alphaman00 While that may turn out to be true, I'm not holding my breath. Turbine has a longer history of deleting items from releases after the announcement than adding to them. Even the 24-man raid in RoI was originally supposed to be part of an "anniversary update" in April of this year. Also the previously announced new PvMP zone was just recently delayed indefinitely. I too would love to assume we're getting a full cluster, but until I see a dev diary on it, I'm not counting on it.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 12:59PM Angn said

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I like Moria, and think it is was a magnificently expansive and engrossing expansion. If your idea of questing is hopping from one bite-sized quest hub to another, scooping up all the quests, turning them all in one scoop, and watching your XP bar get filled, you'll do all of us together a great service by staying away from LOTRO and supporting the inanity of some other MMO.

That said, Moria is definitely bypassable. You can elect to quest in Forochel and/or the Misty Mountains until you're 58-60 (Goblin Town is perfect for it), before arriving in Eregion. By the time you finish the quests in the latter region, get a friendly captain to muster you at the First Hall, and off you go to Lothlorien.

Moria is the alternative to "grind," ironically enough. Subsequent zones like Mirkwood and Enedwaith have their stores of quests, but they're eventually exhausted and gameplay degenerates into dailies. Moria was old-school: it was huge, invited you into the deep dark, and challenged you to explore, discover, and maybe, just maybe, get lost. It's a shame many MMO players can't appreciate that.

I doubt Isengard will be as magnificent as Moria; Enedwaith is an inkling of what Turbine thinks that its players think is fun. The flat outdoors with some bumps, drive-thru quest hubs with 5-minute quests and a portfolio of rep goodies at the cost of mountains of yet another set of barter tokens.

Posted: Jun 7th 2011 1:27PM Lenn said

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@Angn Very well said. I love Moria. I can understand getting sick of it after spending weeks there, but that's why we invented altoholism.
Moria is beautifully designed (the 3D that's not really 3D notwithstanding), the quests engrossing, and you truly feel like an explorer. I am currently taking my 4th character through its darkness, and Moria still offers up surprises; so many things I missed the first three times around, so many nooks and crannies I didn't know about, so many pathways and tunnels that lead to places I didn't even know were there.

I love Mirkwood and Enedwaith as well. Lovely zones, each in their own way, but, as said, they do degenerate into mindless grinding of dailies relatively soon. Moria has enough content to never have to worry about not having stuff to do.
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Posted: Jun 7th 2011 3:53PM Nandini said

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I won't be pre-ordering Isengard until I see a more complete list of features, and preferably until I've had an opportunity to test it myself first.

I and many of my friends got burned on the "go multi-month and get Mirkwook free" pre-order fiasco two years ago.Turbine didn't drop the NDA for beta testers until that deal expired, and we found out there wasn't going to be multiple months of content. (It was probably still a good buy for brand new players, though.)

Granted, the bonuses with this pre-order are completely different. I can see how they would appeal to players who are used to spending a lot of money for mounts and cosmetic items.

Still, since the offer is available for almost 3 more months, I'm going to take a wait-and-see approach. I suspect I'll just buy it with Turbine points I've saved up over the past year.

Posted: Jun 7th 2011 6:01PM shipwreck said

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The frugal, mature part of me says "Wait and see. $50 is a lot of money for a game you are already subscribed to so get the cheaper one".

The fanboy part of me says "ZOMG Rohirrim outfit!!11one!11!!"

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