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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 4:42PM Bedazzled said

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@Xpress0

PvP bot exists and is alegedly in use. Follows broadcasts, focuses fire, etc.

Alegedly in use by Pandemic Legion, Goons and a few others who wouldn't surprise you but nobody's ever caught one so nobody can say for certain.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 5:23PM Xpress0 said

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@Bedazzled

I know they're in use, but the point was - they're not using a sanctioned API calls, they're injecting code into the client.

Now, I'm not saying the new addon API will turn that ugly, but there's definitely potential to see a lot of "unintended" use as clever players will try to squeeze every possible angle out of it to gain upper hand.
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Posted: Jun 5th 2011 10:12PM Vazzaroth said

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Aside from not having a GTFO warp button, I didn't mind Eve's interface. It could use a slider to adjust the font size when your in space, but I liked that it wasn't terribly noob-friendly and gave me all the info I could want. They would do well to have a beginner UI option though, that you get prompted to turn off if you want at the end of the Tutorial.


Now, if they add In-cockpit UI... SQUEEEEE! That might very well make me play it once more. I always loved the X-wing vs TIE series and played in First Person view. Put the targeting array on a in-game screen, little switches for your modules, and ammo counters (like alarm clock numbers) for your turrets... so cool. Although each ship had better have it's own custom one (With each race having tendencies in cockpit design of course) or it would be super lame. I think these are exactly the kind of small features that just keep EVE from holding my attention for more than a month every year or so. Along with not having animated ship-bits (Which turrets are fixing soon, but no missles.... and I fly a drake.) and all ships of a class looking the same.

Getting blown up to pirates you had no way of knowing about or avoiding or running away from due to scramblers pretty much sucks too.

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 1:33PM Zyrusticae said

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@Vazzaroth

Read the lore. There's an explicit reason why there's no cockpit UI (re: you're looking through camera drones because you're literally hooked into the ship, not piloting in a cockpit).

In fact, the way the game works a cockpit UI would make absolutely zero sense. A cockpit limits you to a frontal field of view, which is a nasty, nasty limitation in a game like this where you need to be able to fire your weapons in 360 degrees.
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Posted: Jun 5th 2011 11:14PM Lateris said

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After looking at the coming Carbon UI I had to laugh with pleasure because it resembles the Windows UI of Microsoft's Windows 7 in concept- it looks like the task bar. Now if a user cant understand the simplicity of the UI changes coming then I 'd say Eve is not for you. I never thought that Eve Online's current UI was clunky. It just felt like learning a new software for an advanced game that surpasses the mindless anti matter of the cloud with easy written all over it. Oh but don't worry. They are dumbing down Eve for the instant gratification generation just like every other studio out there. Except Korea which are making better cars than us n ow...smarter...grind,..work for it...yep lazy peopel make lazy specimens.

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 12:21AM (Unverified) said

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@Lateris The UI in EVE is clunky. It just is. For example, the "My Corporation" Nav button is the only place to find OTHER corp/alliances current wars. How does that make sense? That information should be in the standard information you get in a corp/alliance info page.

No one UI is good for everyone. Hell, no one UI is good for most people. That's partly why there's been simplification of UI over the years in the software industry. A simpler UI is more easily understood by a big population of users. It's not dumbing down; it's trying to conform to everyone through simplification.

There is always a better UI for an application. It's silly to think that nothing can ever be made better just because a person is comfortable with something. And besides, the UI's not the point. The gameplay is the point. An office worker doesn't want to learn the UI of a "smarter" version of Windows. Doing so only costs time and money to his/her employer. Likewise, a player doesn't want to waste free time and his/her subscription money learning a UI. The point is what you want to DO. In the same way computers are a hobby of entusiasts but just a tool to the rest of the world, a UI is only loved by those who like UI's. For me and most of the world, a UI is only a means to an end that should be simple to learn and afterwards invisible. When it gets clunky or in my way, it's not doing its job.

Simpler, more easily accessible and understandable UI without sacrificing features is the goal. I personally think the future of UI has to be automated personalization. A computer can analyze user interaction and automatically change the UI to suit a person. A little of this is in modern OS's. There are Most frequently used programs/files lists that update to a user's most accessed files for fast access.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 1:13AM Saerain said

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Weird. It's the best UI I've used in an MMO, bar none.

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 1:14AM Saerain said

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@Saerain Not that I don't think it can be improved upon, and I think the coming changes are doing that very well, but ‘poor’ is about the furthest word from my vocabulary when thinking of EVE's UI.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 8:52AM Khai mann said

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@Saerain

True, I would never consider the EVE UI has being bad.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 1:41AM donweel said

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I don't have a problem with drop down menus. You are piloting a star ship. You use a computer to control it, mouse control drop down menu is ok for that. Last update with the new UI stuff gave me a performance hit. The game sound stutters now and the UI acts sluggish. I liked it better b4.

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 2:18AM Xpress0 said

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So, can you choose a new font now?

The EVE UI is pretty horrible, has always been, but 90% of it is due to the crappy font, which is incredibly hard to read on any decent modern display resolution.

Addons - ugh, like others have already said, they were the downfall of WoW, don't really care much to see them in EVE.

They could just make the browser window embeddable in any window and be done with it - players could then write their own webapps (/aka. "addons") through it.

Anyhow, I guess this is positive news in all, even though I hate the addons part. EVE deserves better UI.

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 2:23AM Xpress0 said

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@Xpress0

Ps. The ship scanner is essential mod in your suicide ganker squad scout ship (along with the cargo scanner)
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 3:26AM Khai mann said

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The UI isn't all that bad.... Come on guys. It's simple, easy to use and doesn't look like a MMORPG clone.

The market menu/overview is simple and easy to use. It does exactly what you want it to do.

Maybe CCP should add wizards and shiny mounts to the game.... then everyone would be happy....

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 5:43AM Xpress0 said

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@Khai mann

Dunno man, the corp management/roles interfaces have been fairly horrible and buggy - maybe they've fixed it finally, but you couldn't, for example receive POS fuel notifications through a title, you had to explicitly have the "Fuel Technican" role assigned - a PITA in a large corp.

Cleaning up those parts of the UI would be welcome.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 7:08AM Khai mann said

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@Xpress0

Things like that might need fixing in order to make running a corp easier. But in terms of visual aspects, it isn't that bad.
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 7:12AM Xpress0 said

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@Khai mann

Apart from the font, I agree, the actual layout of things is not too bad, and it's already customizable to a degree (you can move stuff around).
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 5:20AM Bongo123 said

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Once they improve that awful UI and Font, i'll definately come back and have a look

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 6:40AM psycros said

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It will take a hell of a lot more than a UI overhaul to make EVE attractive to most players. Once a newb figures out he will never be able to compete with someone who's been in game a week longer than himself, and that he has to join one of the five biggest corps to survive he goes right back to whatever he was playing before. Most third-rate freeware games have far more users than EVE...CCP doesn't seem to get the hint. If they wanted to be anything more than the darling of the ultra hardcore PvP ganker crowd, they would have three priorities:

1) Make high-sec actually BE high-sec. CONCORD's response to attacks would be scaled up throughout empire space. More than once I've seen a single pirate in a battleship gate camping in 1.0, killing everything that wasn't quick enough and handily dispatching every CONCORD vessel that tried to stop him. This went on till I got tired of watching and left (at least 15 minutes). EVE zealots always talk about how its such a realistic universe. If EVE was even remotely realistic, attacking newbs in 0.0 would be instant suicide (not suicide ganking, just suicide). How could you have an interstellar civilization when law enforcement is a joke? The pirates would be ruling empire completely. How would you have an economy when theft isn't really a crime? Stealing should mean more than a fifteen minute coffee break for can thieves.
2) Balance the sides. The only balanced faction is Minmatar. Everbody knows that Caldari missile war = easy mode, Amarr or Gallente = handicap mode. Hybrids are garbage. Drones are nearly worthless in PvP and not much better in missions. Amarr ships are fundmentally crippled. Why is none of this addressed, year after year? Stat changes are simple and we have a test server, yet nothing is done. Instead their concentrating on a console shooter.
3) Fix the interface. Yes, the UI is awful. There's just no nice way to say it. The font is a microscopic nightmare, the randomzied context menus are an affront to good design. Consistency is non-existent.

Posted: Jun 6th 2011 7:05AM Khai mann said

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@psycros

Man... you got so many things wrong in this comment that I'm not even going to try correct you.

PS. Amarr is buy far the best race for PVP and drones are use both in PVP and PVE (a lot)
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Posted: Jun 6th 2011 8:17AM Xpress0 said

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@psycros

Eva Jobse is that you?
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