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Posted: May 29th 2011 8:29PM Ghostspeaker said

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"This week, Funcom stunned gamers by announcing that Age of Conan will be headed to free-to-play land this summer... kinda."

Um... "Stunned" isn't the word I'd use, personally. A lot of us have seen this coming for a while now.

Posted: May 29th 2011 9:08PM Hotaru99 said

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Personally, I avoid "free to play but pay to get out of the noob bleachers" games the same as "pay per month" ones. Are there any "buy a copy of the game and play it but we wont charge you more" MMOs?

Posted: May 29th 2011 9:11PM Apakal said

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@Hotaru99

I've been playing a little bit of Vindictus, and in 12 levels so far, I haven't even looked at the cash shop.

I just don't really know wtf is going on in the game. Its all-around pretty vague.
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Posted: May 29th 2011 10:36PM Fakeassname said

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This shit isn't f2p (talking about DnD, LOTR, City of heroes, and now conan), if it was actually f2p people wouldn't have seen the need to coin a new phrase in "freemuim."

taking a quick look at the list of freemium restriction V. monthly fee access, it's a pretty safe bet that paying for the sub will probably be 2x - 3x times cheaper than making up the difference with cash shop items.
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Posted: May 29th 2011 10:37PM Fakeassname said

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@Fakeassname

uhhh ... this wasn't supposed to be a reply, it was supposed to just be on it's own.
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Posted: May 29th 2011 11:53PM Fakeassname said

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@Tempes Magus

no, I'm just idly bitching.

... and the fremium model hasn't got a damned thing to do with entitlement issues. the classic p2p model has always rubbed people the wrong way with how they charge you for the game in addition to milking you for monthly fees.

this fremium model is a long over due step toward breaking from that tradition, it's by no means a complete steep, but at least it's a drunken stagger in the right direction.

yes it's true that F2P has got problems with the entitlement crowd, but it's the people who pay into the cash shop who get all uppity about being entitled to more than the average schmuck, not the freeloaders who putter along without putting in a dime.

if anything it's the freemium users who have got the biggest entitlement issues, most notably in how they (generally speaking) constantly try to piss on people who play f2p games as if they are lesser beasts simply because they refrain from shelling out a sub fee every month.
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Posted: May 29th 2011 9:09PM Apakal said

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Its more stunning when a game doesn't going f2p anymore...

Posted: May 29th 2011 9:15PM ErikC said

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A concession to the entitlement generation? Wtf?

The idea of converting to FTP is to get more money, not to cede anything to anyone.

Posted: May 30th 2011 3:33AM Haggard said

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@ErikC
Buuut is it not a strategy with that in mind (as a problem that must be solved to make money)? Baiting people with some level ups and progress for free, then start charging for the harder drugs gets around the problem of a crowded subscription market. Of course, now everybody's doing it, the market gets crowded for something which isn't even being sold..
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Posted: May 30th 2011 4:28PM ErikC said

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@Haggard Yeah, that's totally what it is. That's not a "concession to the entitlement generation", though, it's marketing trickery to take advantage of addiction behaviors. If one really wants to use the term "entitlement generation" for some reason, obnoxious as it tends to sound, you'd have a much better case when it comes to designing games such that all content is accessible to everyone, all gear is eventually attainable by everyone, etc. In this case it just doesn't make sense. They aren't providing the game for free because people are complaining about not having access to the game.

Mind you, I'm not at all defending the F2P model. Not that it's inevitably horrible, either, but the "milk 1% of your playerbase for 90% of your profit" model is kind of hard to stomach if you actually stop and think about it, even if it does seem like a dream come true.
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Posted: May 29th 2011 10:34PM Faction 3 said

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@Tempes Magus Well said, sir. Well said. I actually nodded in agreement as I read it.

Posted: May 29th 2011 10:56PM Brianna Royce said

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@Tempes Magus - I'll go you one step further: I don't even believe the modern entitlement generation is a real thing. History has shown that, given the chance, every generation is an entitlement generation, rendering the term almost meaningless. But Jef's article discusses F2P as a concession to the entitlement crowd, hence my reference and link to it. It WAS the big news of the week, and his article certainly was contentious and worth talking about! :)

-Bree

Posted: May 29th 2011 11:16PM Faction 3 said

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@Brianna Royce OMG!!

HIIII BRIANNA!!!

Posted: May 30th 2011 6:21AM RavenCries said

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@Tempes Magus
I think you are misrepresenting (assuming my understanding of the idea is correct) what is meant by "Entitlement Generation". By the definition I found:

"The group born between 1979 and 1994 who believe they are owed certain rights and benefits without further justification. Example: The entitlement generation expects higher salaries, flexible work hours, and ample time off." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entitlement+generation)

Entitlement, if in fact you are entitled, isn't a bad thing. Expecting to be entitled to things that you are not is a bad thing.

I think the folks asking (getting close to demanding) games go free to play *is* saying "we want more free stuff". I've not seen any evidence to suggest otherwise. The catch with FTP is now the developers need to make up the money somewhere, and I end up playing a game that feel like an advert for their item shop (I've tried a few games, they've all ended up feeling the same). :/

I suspect the phrase "you get what you pay for" remains true even today. The folks not paying any money wont have any real commitment to the game or the community nor is there much reason for the developers to be held accountable to me as a player or the community as a whole.

Posted: May 31st 2011 5:24AM RavenCries said

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@Tempes Magus

No I think I understood you. But by the definition that I found "Entitlement Generation" does imply a generation with a false sense of entitlement. At least that is how I would interpret the title and it's implementation. Otherwise as was said before, every generation would be the "Entitlement Generation". So I still believe you are probably misrepresenting the concept of "Entitlement Generation", assuming my interpretation is accurate.

I do agree that as customers we should get value for our money from services we purchase. The idea of what exacly you are entitled to varies depending on who you ask. Based on the definition and the use in the article I would assume the "entitlement generation" would expect more from the service then is justified.

Companies that take advantage of their customers tend to run into problems pretty quickly.

Customers do have the power, take a look at FFXIV and it's abismal start. Their customers have forced the company to go back and redevelop the game.

Posted: Jun 1st 2011 5:32AM RavenCries said

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@Tempes Magus
Labels don't necessarily follow the meaning of the words they use. e.g. airports referring to two planes almost colliding as a "near miss", in reality two planes that nearly miss would be a collision.

"Entitlement Generation" probably should be "False Sense of Entitlement Generation" it's just easier to say. It's a label to a particular generation born between two dates, with a particular definition. It's not a misuse of the word, it's simply a label and you are misrepresenting that label by applying it to something else based on the meaning of the words you choose.

I wasn't really arguing about what you are entitled to or not, I said previously that entitlement isn't a bad thing if you are actually entitled, however that's not what (as I understand it) the concept of "Entitlement Generation" is about.

I think people have been standing up for their rights all along, it's not something new. Games that weren't particularly good have always suffered compared to games that were good. Like it or hate it, WoW for instance is actually a good game. You may not like it, or aspsects of it but it does a lot of things right at the moment. Games like AoC and FFXIV (both of which have gotten better but had very bad starts) have had more problems.

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