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Posted: May 27th 2011 1:52PM Mystal said

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For game balance purposes, troopers will need to be on par with Sith and Jedi.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 11:49AM pcgneurotic said

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Yes! I've wanted to do that to every mage, warlock, sorcerer, wizard and other smarmy, cloth-wearing clever-arse I've ever met!

Posted: May 27th 2011 11:55AM Space Cobra said

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In article-related news, I actually think there won't be a too big reveal at any trade shows, but I am only guessing.

Basically, I think the game getting closer and closer to a release date. I would expect, after the last class-reveal video in this similar vein, that it would mark between a week to a month of official release.

So, sorta a countdown, with over Friday-video reveals taking the steam off (the sound video of last week).

Posted: May 27th 2011 12:07PM Vegetta said

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do not like the character models in this game

Posted: May 27th 2011 12:50PM Contains Moderate Peril said

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I hate to be picky but so far, none of the video footage from this game has particularly impressed me. It doesn't really seem to push back boundaries or set a new benchmark.

So obviously we are left to ponder on whether it's the gameplay that will be radical and innovative. Nope, seen nothing to suggest this so far.

Take this video footage for example. State of the art military personnel, firing out in the open? Have they not heard of cover or using height to their advantage? Oh and before anyone mentions armour, since when did that prove of any use in any of the 6 movies?

I want to like this game. I want to buy it and for it to be my MMO of choice. Hell, it's Star Wars! But I am sufficiently old enough and wise enough not to be seduced by the dark side of marketing. If this game does not tick all the right boxes and deliver what it should (a key phrase to consider) then they won't be seeing a red cent of my hard earnt cash.

Posted: May 27th 2011 1:09PM jealouspirate said

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Basically, in their own words the only thing Bioware sent out to 'innovate' in TOR is the way that story is done in MMOs. That's their big thing. There seem to be some minor tweaks to thing like combat, crafting and PvP but they're minor. Innovation in those areas is not their intent.

So.. there ya go. I don't know if that's good or bad, but that's what it is. If you're really looking for innovative combat in an MMO I'd look to Guild Wars 2.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 1:22PM Ashane said

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You really havent been keeping up with this game at all have you?

This isnt a next gen title. There's nothing "groundbreaking" here other than the focus on story and VO.

It will be just like Rift, a more polished MMO experience with a nifty twist here or there.

This might not be the MMO for you ;)
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Posted: May 27th 2011 6:31PM Laurs said

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*wave hand*

This is not the MMO you're looking for. Move along.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 6:32PM Contains Moderate Peril said

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@Ashane You raise a good point regarding keeping up with this title. If you dissect everything that has been officially said about SWTOR, you are quite correct that no one ever sold it as a industry changer. Didn't one of the senior exec's basically say at a trade show for folk to effectively lower their expectation?

But because this is a "Star Wars" franchise, most people bring a lot of personal baggage and tend to suffer from a little myopia with regard to it. The fact is people start to build unrealistic expectations.

I think, rightly or wrongly, a lot of punters will be expecting more than just "a more polished MMO experience with a nifty twist here or there" and "the focus on story and VO". It's not Bioware's fault if potential customers have reached erroneous conclusions, but they could still suffer as a result.

We shall see. It's more than likely that it won't be the MMO for me, as you say. I can live with that. Will other's who reach a similar conclusion be so measured?
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Posted: May 27th 2011 8:59PM Ashane said

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I really dont think it's "because this is the SW franchise" that people are getting big hope to be honest.

I think its more that people played SWG, which by all accounts was epically amazing... before NGE. They hoped that Bioware would do SWG right, but Bioware has been *very* upfront about what this game is.

I actually applaud them for that. While so many other companies are promising you *everything* (ANet, XLGames, etc), Bioware took a different route.

In a way its similar to how Trion approached Rift. Simply saying that this isnt a groundbreaking game aside from a few twists, but what you will find is a polished MMO experience. The fault for Rift was.. it was fantasy, and tried to directly compete with WoW.

Bioware has a advantage in that its a future age, and of course a well established IPO.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 10:13PM Space Cobra said

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"But because this is a "Star Wars" franchise, most people bring a lot of personal baggage and tend to suffer from a little myopia with regard to it. The fact is people start to build unrealistic expectations. "

I sorta agree,but mostly disagree.

I've seen this attitude toward many new MMO titles, particularly big-names. People come with their expectations and put their hopes, dreams, and desires into the process during pre-launch. Many buy into the hype and actually add their own vision/misinterpretations to it.

At launch (or during Open Beta, when they play it) many find that it didn't meet what they had envisioned in their mind.

This is truer of any big-name IP with a history: Conan, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Warhammmer, and the rest. Even UO's history of previous titles let some players down.

But even with an unknown IP, PVPers will be wanting their ultimate PvP MMO. Others are looking for a big-time Sandpark. Still, others want a combination of these elements and more. It's all about perception and desires. Since we are all individuals and share different tastes, many times a percentage of players are let down. PT Barnum was right in that you cannot please all the people all the time.

Now that you mention Trion and Rift downplaying their spin-doctoring, that may be a nice and needed change in regards to the playerbase. Too many people listen to spin doctoring. Too many people judge too much in either black or white ("It's a bad game." or "It's a great game.") And really, even with a careful nuetral stance, people read veviews and don't fully absorb both the Pro's and Con's. Rose-colored glasses or Dark, Frumpy lenses tend to only underline what that reader is hoping for/expecting while blotting out the other advice.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 1:14PM ThePenIsMightier said

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The all trooper guild is an admirable goal, and one I intend to contribute to.....since I can't have my neutral third faction.

Posted: May 27th 2011 1:41PM Interitus said

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Is it me or did this progression feel shorter? Don't they usually show 3 armour sets per AC?

Posted: May 27th 2011 2:46PM AnotherPint said

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No it's the same. They Show 1 level 1-10 armor upgrade and 2 armor upgrades for each AC in each video.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 1:59PM Mystal said

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Every time I see a trailer for this game I throw up a little bit in my mouth. I WANT to like it so much, since I don't really have an MMO that I like right now, after 10+ years of enjoying MMOs. But the animations are so... bland. They just don't look deadly. Jedi look like they beating their opponents down with foam bats. Troopers look like they're spraying foam darts. People don't fly back violently from explosions or force powers, they sort of pop into the air like a beach ball.

On top of that we have these very stylized cartoony avatars. With WoW, stylized works, because WoW has always looked cartoony. That's part of the Warcraft style. This game, which is set in the Star Wars Universe, visually looks like crap compared to something like Star Wars Galaxies, which is what, 5 years old? More? This looks more like Lego Star Wars. Even the old Star Wars games on the SNES made me feel more like I was in the Star Wars universe.

To spend the money they're spending on this game and have it look so bland is really shocking.

Posted: May 27th 2011 2:24PM Carolina said

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@Mystal I agree with the first part of that, you made it to explain something I've been feeling about this tittle and have trouble explaining. I'll wait though, hopefully get into the open beta and test it.

I personally have no problem with the cartoony look, specially if their intention is to do the same as in WoW, to be able to make the game run in as many computers as possible with good performance.
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Posted: May 27th 2011 3:29PM VikingGamer said

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Re: sith vs trooper
They mentioned this also in one of the interviews like a year or more ago. Jedi/Sith are super powerful and against the average trooper there is not much of a match. But Player troopers are not the average. These are the heros among troopers. Like the difference between your average GI and an airborne ranger or a seal.

Posted: May 27th 2011 6:34PM Laurs said

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Heh, no, but on a serious note, i pretty much agree with most of what you said. Unfortunately, for true innovation we will likely still have to wait, even beyond Guild Wars 2, which may or may not be a step in the right direction.
This is one of the reasons i hate what Blizzard did to the MMO genre so much; their game is so good, and so popular, it basically forces every other developer to mimic it out of financial safety reasons.

Posted: May 27th 2011 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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Every time I read more about SW:TOR's tank/heal/dps holy trinity, I get sadder and sadder. It's not Star Wars.

Posted: May 28th 2011 3:48AM (Unverified) said

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@(Unverified) Yea it's called an RPG...
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