After PSN's data breach a couple of weeks back, questions and rumors spread across the internet, including speculation about the source of the incursion and how many records were actually taken. However, we still did not have all the answers. Customers of Sony Online Entertainment have been curious about the details of the recent intrusion into SOE servers, so Massively teamed up with our sister site, Joystiq, to get some direct statements from Sony. We put only our best detectives on the job.
Joystiq Contributing Editor Ben Gilbert fired up the communicator with SOE PR Representative Ryan Peters to discuss the issues plaguing the MMO developer. Admittedly, many of the answers given were reiterated from a press release on SOE's website, but he was able to extract a few nuggets of information regarding the depth of the incident, which we've compiled past the break. Rest assured that our team will continue to keep you up to date on the latest information.
Joystiq/Massively: Can you clarify this statement: "This information, which was discovered by engineers and security consultants reviewing SOE systems, showed that personal information from approximately 24.6 million SOE accounts may have been stolen, as well as certain information from an outdated database from 2007"?
SOE: The database that was compromised consisted of 24.6 million account records containing one or more of the following: name, address, email address, birthdate, gender, phone number, login name, and hashed password, to the extent provided. Approximately 8.8 million of these are non-U.S and of these approximately 185,000 were Japanese.
Additionally, an outdated database from 2007 containing approximately 12,791 non-US customer credit or debit card numbers and expiration dates (but not credit card security codes), and about 10,740 direct debit records listing bank account numbers of certain customers in Germany, Austria, Netherlands and Spain were obtained. However, there is no evidence that our main credit card database was compromised. It is in a completely separate and secure environment.
Was all the information in the database out of date or was the hardware itself out of date? This is very unclear.
We are currently investigating why the outdated database [was] on the system, as this was just discovered yesterday and therefore we do not have any more specifics.
When does SOE plan to restart services?
We will have more information soon. It will be as soon as we are 100% confident that we can resume a safe and secure service.
Why didn't you bring down services upon first learning of the intrusion?
We did. We initially took down our systems from approximately 3 a.m. April 21st to 3 p.m. April 21st. The initial data did not show that any customer data was stolen from our database. Via our thorough investigation that has continued non–stop since the initial attack, we learned on Sunday, May 1st that the data may have been stolen and immediately took action to bring down our services Sunday night. This was the result of a very sophisticated cyber attack that was extremely difficult to detect, and through our examination we were able to uncover the details of the situation.
If the SOE and PSN servers are separate, how was this part of the original attacks?
While the two systems are distinct and operated separately, given that they are both under the Sony umbrella, there is some degree of architecture that overlaps. The intrusions were similar in nature. This is NOT a second attack; new information has been discovered as part of our ongoing investigation of the external intrusion in April.
Will there be additional compensation for current and former subscribers to SOE's MMOs above and beyond what has already been mentioned?
Absolutely. Our intention is to grant customers 30 days of additional time on their subscriptions in addition to compensating them one day for each day our system is down. We are also in the process of outlining the "make good" plan for our PlayStation 3 MMOs (DC Universe Online and Free Realms) and plan on a similar offering, but the complexities of the subscription server dictate how and when this will be available. We will be releasing more information this week. The monthly fees vary by game and are as follows: core MMOs $14.99, Free Realms $4.99 and Clone Wars Adventures is $5.99 per month. The pricing tiers vary depending on the length of the subscription purchased upfront.
Additionally, we are committed to helping our customers protect their personal data and will provide a complimentary offering to assist users in enrolling in identity theft protection services and/or similar program. The implementation will be at a local level, and further details will be made available shortly in each region.
Some of the questions, including questions about future safeguards and those responsible for the attacks, could not be answered at this time, and no comment was made regarding the delay in telling the customers. Thank you, SOE, for taking the time to answer what you could.
Reader Comments (30)
Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:09PM Joystiq Login Bugs SUCK said
Sophisticated attack? Please don't make me laugh.
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://station.sony.com
Just why SOE are you using unpatched web facing servers (Apache 2.2.3) from around 2007 with multiple vulnerabilities.
Only the most inept security team would allow their web facing servers to not be patched and kept up to date, it's basic common sense and best practices to boot.
It's bad enough that you kept old and no-longer used credit/bank account files unencrypted on a system that could be accessed from the web, but you have made it so much easier for any hacker by not keeping your software patched!
Words fail me.
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://station.sony.com
Just why SOE are you using unpatched web facing servers (Apache 2.2.3) from around 2007 with multiple vulnerabilities.
Only the most inept security team would allow their web facing servers to not be patched and kept up to date, it's basic common sense and best practices to boot.
It's bad enough that you kept old and no-longer used credit/bank account files unencrypted on a system that could be accessed from the web, but you have made it so much easier for any hacker by not keeping your software patched!
Words fail me.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 8:04PM (Unverified) said
Just because it's Apache 2.2.3 does not mean it's unpatched. For instance, Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5, which is still supported, patched, and updated, uses Apache 2.2.3. Red Hat does release security patches for Apache.
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Posted: May 3rd 2011 10:27PM Unshra said
@(Unverified) While RHE might be patched it would still mean that Apache is still not patched and there for vulnerable.
However you can get Linux to report back anything you wanted so there is always the chance that the version is not 2.2.3. Still it is bad practice to have it report back a version especially if it is outdated version unless you are setting up a honey pot.
Blizzard and others do a better job by not reporting back the version, which is generally common security practice.
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However you can get Linux to report back anything you wanted so there is always the chance that the version is not 2.2.3. Still it is bad practice to have it report back a version especially if it is outdated version unless you are setting up a honey pot.
Blizzard and others do a better job by not reporting back the version, which is generally common security practice.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 10:45PM SgtBaker1234556 said
@Unshra
So who would just install kernel patches and ignore other errata?
But for now it's just speculation - I'm expecting a full disclosure from Sony once they're done with their investigation.
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So who would just install kernel patches and ignore other errata?
But for now it's just speculation - I'm expecting a full disclosure from Sony once they're done with their investigation.
Posted: May 4th 2011 5:25AM Unverfied B said
@SgtBaker1234556
Don't look at the version number, pretty much every serious distro works the same way: whatever version comes with a certain OS release stays until the next release while security-related fixes from later versions are back ported to the stable version without changing it's (visible) version number.
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Don't look at the version number, pretty much every serious distro works the same way: whatever version comes with a certain OS release stays until the next release while security-related fixes from later versions are back ported to the stable version without changing it's (visible) version number.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:45PM Zantom said
"The intrusions were similar in nature. This is NOT a second attack; new information has been discovered as part of our ongoing investigation of the external intrusion in April."
This was the most revealing piece of information to me. So the damage was done weeks ago. They just realized yesterday (or so) that the PSN breach also effected SOE's infrastructural? Wow.
This was the most revealing piece of information to me. So the damage was done weeks ago. They just realized yesterday (or so) that the PSN breach also effected SOE's infrastructural? Wow.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:52PM JTShadow said
30 days of free subscription plus a day for every day its down doesn't really help me and others who have a LIFETIME account for DCUO, what's Sony going to do for us?
Posted: May 3rd 2011 8:09PM (Unverified) said
@JTShadow
Take a moment to think of you and then carry on until they find a way to extend your life by 30 days and one day for every day their services remain offline.
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Take a moment to think of you and then carry on until they find a way to extend your life by 30 days and one day for every day their services remain offline.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 9:51PM starbuck1771 said
@Luk Actualy DCUO is a PC MMO that was ported to the PS3. I was one of the testers.
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Posted: May 4th 2011 12:06AM stealthrider said
@starbuck1771
It was designed simultaneously for both. Obviously you weren't testing much if you didn't read the multiple dev posts that put the "port rumors" to bed.
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It was designed simultaneously for both. Obviously you weren't testing much if you didn't read the multiple dev posts that put the "port rumors" to bed.
Posted: May 4th 2011 7:51AM Ekphrasis said
@JTShadow
This isn't aimed at you directly but who really cares about meagre compensation from SOE in the form of (for example) 30 free days subscription?
The much bigger issue is all of your personal information is out there somewhere. Identity theft is a huge concern.
Even if Credit Card details were lifted from SOE you can cancel a credit card and submit a fraud/compensation claim to your financial institution.
How often do you change your Date of Birth? Or your name? How many (silly) people use the same password for everything?
Say you do use the same password; someone who now has the SOE data could login to your eMail account and browse your eMail history. They notice you have a legitimate eMail from your bank in a folder, therefore they know you're a customer of XYZ Bank. They proceed to call your bank's call centre and can provide some of your details (some organisations still *only* use personal details like Full name, Date of Birth, Address to authenticate you). As a result, someone could now have access to more than just your credit card - access to other bank accounts, take out a loan in your name etc.
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This isn't aimed at you directly but who really cares about meagre compensation from SOE in the form of (for example) 30 free days subscription?
The much bigger issue is all of your personal information is out there somewhere. Identity theft is a huge concern.
Even if Credit Card details were lifted from SOE you can cancel a credit card and submit a fraud/compensation claim to your financial institution.
How often do you change your Date of Birth? Or your name? How many (silly) people use the same password for everything?
Say you do use the same password; someone who now has the SOE data could login to your eMail account and browse your eMail history. They notice you have a legitimate eMail from your bank in a folder, therefore they know you're a customer of XYZ Bank. They proceed to call your bank's call centre and can provide some of your details (some organisations still *only* use personal details like Full name, Date of Birth, Address to authenticate you). As a result, someone could now have access to more than just your credit card - access to other bank accounts, take out a loan in your name etc.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 7:58PM smg77 said
Companies that care about their customers aren't this lazy about protecting their customers' private information. Hopefully this mess signals the end of SOE.
Posted: May 3rd 2011 8:03PM Yellowdancer said
@smg77
Dude, stop wishing evil on PEOPLE. Are you a monster? Do you want us all to wish you would lose your job and end up on the street?
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Dude, stop wishing evil on PEOPLE. Are you a monster? Do you want us all to wish you would lose your job and end up on the street?
Posted: May 3rd 2011 9:56PM Suplyndmnd said
@Furdinand
Right! It was anonymous. I have no evidence to support this but, heck it sounds good enough right? I mean, it's "truthy" enough. At least to me, so, now it's fact. So lets just keep reporting what sounds good instead of what actually may have happened.
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Right! It was anonymous. I have no evidence to support this but, heck it sounds good enough right? I mean, it's "truthy" enough. At least to me, so, now it's fact. So lets just keep reporting what sounds good instead of what actually may have happened.










