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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 11:08AM (Unverified) said

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If you are constantly listening to what the "community" wants you're basically putting the players in the producers seat and also you're aiming for the huge mainstream audience.

Does this always make a good game?

Posted: Apr 26th 2011 11:37AM Jef Reahard said

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@(Unverified)

I would answer your question with a "no," but I'd also wonder what it has to do with this particular article.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 5:15PM Scarecrowe said

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@Jef Reahard
Heh, nice!
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 12:12PM Space Cobra said

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Glad you didn't let the IP scare you, Jef.

But really, Star Trek ain't too bad. I tend to prefer the Original series and Next Generation, because they had the best "drunken writers" that were sci-fi novelists! :P And while I expect flaming, I can't recommend the sequel/series that came after TNG.

For all it's low budgets, the story shines. You just gotta ignore the low budget and put yourself in "kid mode". I think guys can do this more than girls: Heck, I love to watch grown men fighting in rubber suits (Godzilla movies) and can get into them. So, maybe it's perception?

But, again, STO isn't that bad of a game. It still has people playing in numbers that seem healthy (at least what I see online), it has a good space-ship online combat simulator (and I recommend using that to get your space-ship combat fix if you really feel the need when SW:ToR comes out), and other areas, IMO, are completely acceptable. Your mileage may vary from person to person in what they like or find "acceptable". ;)

Posted: Apr 26th 2011 3:02PM pcgneurotic said

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@Space Cobra

I'd love to flame you for not recommending either DS9 or Voyager (which was more TOS than anything that came after it*), but as a fellow Trek fan, I'd rather offer you a comfy chair, a glass of your favourite drink, and have a friendly chat for a few hours. ;)

* http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R8UINERJC5E8B/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm (a short VOY dvd review I wrote a few years ago, explaining why)
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 3:56PM Jef Reahard said

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@Space Cobra

Yeah, my gf is a huge Trekkie, so I've actually made it through TOS, TNG, and parts of DS9 at her behest. How faithful has Cryptic been to the lore? (I'd ask her but she's barely played STO).

Loving the game atm.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 4:14PM Lenn said

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@Jef Reahard There's plenty in the game to make die-hard trekkers drool, but they used the most recent movie as a starting point, so it takes place in an alternative universe.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 7:24PM Jef Reahard said

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@Lenn

Ahh ok, interesting. Thanks.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 7:38PM (Unverified) said

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@Jef Reahard Whoa there. Don't listen to Lenn; I'm afraid he is incorrect. The movie is what branches off into an alternate timeline. The game continues to take place along the "original" timeline and not an alternate. Have a look at the timeline for STO if you're interested:

http://startrekonline.com/node/1771

Each point in the timeline is clickable with some explanation.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:38AM Lenn said

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@(Unverified) Oh, please, do listen to me, Just be aware I'm full of it.

Thanks for that link Mr/Mrs Unverified. I never looked at that. Playing the game I got the impression we were all part of that alternate universe. The fact that space battles are so common in the game reinforced that belief, because I had always been under the impression that ST was more about exploration and diplomacy, rather than armed conflict.

Perhaps I should give the game another go to see how it plays for me with my newfound wisdom.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:18PM Space Cobra said

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@Lenn /@Jef

Yeah, it's basically set after the movie "Star Trek :Nemesis" and sorta diverges from there (Hey, Star Wars did that alot, until Lucas made a newer movie/sequel and there was a lotta huffing/puffing/forgeting of novels/Marvel comics/etc.) ("Splinter in the Minds Eye")

They have added and are adding more exploration bits, but still could use more. While I don't believe Star Trek to be a good PvP IP, there have been lots of examples of Trek-fans wanting big-honking battles with ships (The PnP "Star Fleet Battles" being an early example). So, the combat doesn't faze me in the least (or "phazer me" ;p ). Just as long as it ain't "Free-World Gank Space-City" out there, it's fine for me.

But I always welcome more variety of things and even non-violent missions or experiments in them (so, I am hoping some players will step up and use "the Foundry" for this).
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Posted: Apr 26th 2011 1:55PM Lenn said

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I recently resubbed to STO. I tried it shortly after launch, then quit, only to come back again a few months later, and now again. For about one or two weeks each time I had a blast, but then I suddenly lose interest very, very quickly.

I don't know what it is. Space is really well done, the ships look great, combat is challenging. Ground combat really does need a lot of work, but it's still pretty fun. The game really has a lot going for it, even for a casual ST fan like I am (liked the original series, adored Next Generation, loved Voyager - yes, I'm one of the two in the world who really liked that - I just could never get into DS9. Never even bothered with Enterprise, to be honest), but something is just lacking in the game, and it's driving me crazy not knowing what it is. Partly it's the Cryptic engine, which seems incredibly sluggish to me (had the same problem with Champions), but there's more to it that I just cannot define.

The community does seem great and the few times I needed GM support I was helped, albeit in a not too timely fashion.

Posted: Apr 26th 2011 4:09PM ActiveNick said

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@(Unverified) I agree 100%. I finally tried STO about 2 weeks ago and I'm totally hooked, and I bought the lifetime sub. What started as my 2nd MMO after 4 years of WoW is taking up all my free time, for over 2 weeks now. I will still play WoW, but STO gives me an awesome sci-fi fix that I have been craving ever since I slowly abandoned SWG.

There is a free trial and I wish people would ignore the naysayers online and just go try it. Judge it for yourself. Ping me if you want a referral trial key :)

Posted: Apr 26th 2011 7:33PM Graill440 said

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I am not close to being a trekkie, but i like to watch the show. Cryptics game blows, my opinion.

To the OP, actually Gene R. hired writers that were on the cutting edge of social reform, those that had the balls to write about the problems in society and integrate them into the show, and it worked. Being met with much pushback by the suits, america loved it, so the suits let them continue doing it. Being able to include and defuse complex social issues in campy, comical, nonsensical science fiction is something Star Trek will always being remembered for.

I looked up the druken writers part to see if they were indeed drunk when they wrote any scripts and the only drunk reference i could come up with were the EVE online developers and their being constantly drunk, including development of their game, creation of the minmitars was done while drunk late at night and they gazed into the trainyard....... at least that is how the EVE devs type it.

As for the star trek writers being drunk, your going to have to point me in that direction as i could find no white papers or articles on it, though it would answer many things about the eden episode......

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 12:12AM Yukon Sam said

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@Graill440, I don't believe any ALCOHOL was involved in writing the Eden episode...

I'm a Trek fan from from the original run of TOS. I bought a lifetime sub to the game prior to release. No regrets. I don't play it often, but I enjoy the hell out of the time I do play.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:27PM Space Cobra said

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@Graill440

For my part, that is an assumption I freely admit to. (And you know Benny Hill's rule to "Assume" something. ;)

I kinda like to look at the writers of that time a bit like Hemmingway, but maybe more life-affected/experienced. Gene R and others went to WW2 and came back with tons of experiences and opinions (and it certainly helped that they traveled to other countries in the service of their duties). I think this is why the writing (and others, like in comics) make me appreciate it compared to today's writers. But, I am more of a "Let's put a rolemodel up there and see how they confront something" rather than the "Let's put someone who is 'myself' up there and have them identifiable, but being a jerkwad."

So, you have writers, who, for me, have more world-experience, writing these stories (and that falls in line with the Bohemian Hemmingway; I didn't meant "drunk" being disrespectful as much as being admired/grizzled/worldly/Don't-get-my-Irish-up view.)

So, kinda a weird compliment in this day and age. ;)
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 5:29PM Space Cobra said

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So yeah, no alcohol was involved in writing...

...unless it was an informal mixer/dinner party with velvet jackets and smoking at the Playboy mansion. ;)
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Posted: Apr 27th 2011 1:28PM SnarlingWolf said

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I'm curious how come when I made the first comment on this topic yesterday it is no longer there. Nothing I said was inappropriate in any manner so I am confused.

All I said was:

Wasn't this always the case? Those who liked Star Trek hated the game because it didn't resemble the IP, but those who didn't like the show/books liked the game because it was a casual fly around shoot em up that was nothing like the IP they didn't like.

Posted: Apr 27th 2011 1:30PM (Unverified) said

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@SnarlingWolf

If you did say that it would be wildly inaccurate. I like the Star Trek shows and like the game because it does resemble the IP.
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Posted: May 5th 2011 10:22AM AnathemaOne said

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@(Unverified) I agree. I love ST, and I like the game because it represents the IP about as well as an MMO can.

The game is a lot of fun, with a very good community.
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