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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 10:14AM b3n said

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I think CCP SHOULD use a pre-made forum package so that they can focus their own development work on the game of EVE.

However they need to use a BETTER pre-made forum.

"Yet Another Forum" is built with Asp and/or .NET so I'm not surprised that the forum is insecure as I've never liked those technologies.

Personally I think it would be better to use a PHP forum like vBulletin or SMF but I believe CCP use a lot of Microsoft hardware and software - but that shouldn't be a problem really.

Posted: Apr 12th 2011 2:07PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@b3n

No really, YAF is just fine - it's just that they ripped out the YAF authentication mechanism and replaced it with their own :lolcookie: system with characterID's.

The security issue has very little to do with YAF being pre-made open source package and it has everything to do with sheer incompetence of the CCP webteam who coded the cookie-authentication thingy.

And of course there's the small matter of CCP saying they've put 72000 man-hours into the development of this fantastic, in-house coded, pinnacle of forum software evolution.... and it turned out to be re-skinned, butchered opensource turd.

That stings.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 10:24AM CaffinatedOne said

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Given the news that I always see for it, it's like EvE is a honeypot MMO to capture the most abusive online miscreants.

Posted: Apr 12th 2011 10:39AM (Unverified) said

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@CaffinatedOne

Clearly, you've never inhabited WoW trade chat before.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 12:33PM Xirifus said

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I second this.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 1:06PM CaffinatedOne said

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It's been awhile since I've played WoW, so I'll admit that I'm not entirely up to date there. My recollection was that the issue with WoW chat (and forums) is the typical "anonymous internet user" syndrome where people act like spoiled 6yr olds. That's sadly, quite common, even outside of WoW.

EvE seems to be different in that it actively encourages being a sociopath, and apparently that behavior extends outside of the game here.

Caveat: I'm sure that there are many kind and wonderful EvE players, but the nature of the game seems to encourage the worst in some types of people. Given what I've read, that's some of the game's charm, but it seems to me to be qualitatively different from the usual internet immaturity.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 2:35PM Calfis said

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@CaffinatedOne

You are right, EvE is the internet's favorite Darwinian Dystopia. People act out the smug douche they cannot be IRL. Because EvE does not conform to the social norms of the real world, many people feel it gives them free license to be all the jackass they can be. It is the ultimate avenue of e-peen measurement.

Nothing says my dick is bigger than yours like blowing up another guys hard earned ship. Especially if you do it in a smaller ship. It is also the ultimate forum for the internet tough guy because it has a permanent kill record outside the game in the form of killboards. Suddenly a threat of impending EvE doom sounds more credible when you look up the guys name and see that he has racked up 1000 kills in the past year.

The fact that there are many decent EvE players that do not indulge in this culture and only ever mine or PvE makes more a great farming population for some of the more unscrupulous players.

However, all of this is arguably part of the allure of EvE because it exposes players to challenges that are not entirely developer created/guided. Everyone can have a high level character in WoW with every item in the world if they grind hard enough. There are no real setbacks that can stop a players progress, no fear of some unforeseen challenge. In EvE, if you can accomplish much despite the cut throat environment, that makes that feeling of accomplishment all the more satisfying.

Besides its better to have people rape and pillage like a sociopath in a game than IRL. One can even argue games like this are a great avenue for people to vent their frustrations rather than go postal at work.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 2:51PM SgtBaker1234556 said

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@Calfis

Uh. I seriously hope that was written with irony laden tongue firmly in cheek.

Also, way to derail the topic...
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 5:56PM Calfis said

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@SgtBaker1234556

Its a skill I learned on the EVE Online forums.
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Posted: Apr 12th 2011 10:47PM Laephis said

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@Calfis

The skill you learned was Terrible Poasting?

Yes, I've seen you've gotten quite good at that.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2011 11:42AM Calfis said

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@Laephis

Yes, although it is not sufficiently terrible to be a TEST poster yet.
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