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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:13AM tk421242 said

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I remember when Fallen Earth launched early on there was an ebay account selling chips. Location of the account, costa rica.

Not a bad gig if you can make it work I suppose.

Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:32AM xBludx said

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Hard to blame the farmers when there is a demand. But stealing people's accounts is unjustifiable.

Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:49AM Rindon said

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@xBludx

99% of the people who get their accounts stolen deserve it.

Don't give your account info out and you won't have this problem.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:41AM FrostPaw said

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If my game experience wasn't ruined by constant spam in chat and mail, my world experience ruined by botters and boxers and my subscription used as a means of sustaining their livlihood by keeping the world open for them to do business in I might actually care.

Gold farmers are slowly dying, game developers and their games are getting better at blocking their advertising, weeding out their farming accounts and undercutting/undervaluing their saleable items. A few more years and they will have to find a new way to make a living and I won't shed a tear.

Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:43AM Softserve said

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A lot of these outfits don't strike me as something that a few guys in Vietnam are doing and splitting the profits. I get the impression that they're basically working under some bigger entity and paid jack shit.

I could be wrong, but I really wonder how much it really affects the average worker in those countries. Some work is better than no work, but are they being heavily taken advantage of or what?

Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:55AM tk421242 said

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@Softserve

I am sure no more than the person making jeans
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 12:40PM Apakal said

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@Softserve

From my experience, this is absolutely true.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 3:11PM Dutzu said

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@Softserve It's pretty organised, with actual companies created just for this. I saw this video a while back on the subject: /watch?v=PWvHcoqru7I
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 6:47PM Fakeassname said

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@Softserve

a job is a job, but personally I'd rather mindlessly farm gold than glue Nike's shoes together.

in many ways it's no different than outsourcing.

it really doesn't matter if the actual worker is getting paid shit, that is still high value money rolling into a nation with low value currency. I would say that there is validity to this perspective of "foreign aid" except for the fact that the US is in the middle of a massive economic decline due to the fact that we are already hemorrhaging massive amounts of money due to excessive importation of goods while outsourcing domestic jobs.

we don't really need another channel to loose money.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 11:55AM SolitudeZero said

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I may make myself a bit of a pariah here, but I don't mind RMT per se.

What I don't mind is the 30% that is legit and they are actually working to grind the gold/plat/whatever. It gives those people a way to make some money, albeit a very small amount, it's something for them.

What I cannot stand is the 50% that cheats and to an even greater degree the 20% that steals accounts. I don't know international theft laws to even the slightest degree, but I feel we should put a money amount to the theft. If someone steals an account that has 50k WoW gold on it, and the RMT company will sell 10k for $500, then they just stole $2500 from that person and should be susceptible to any applicable laws on theft.

Just my two cents.

Posted: Apr 8th 2011 12:38PM Ohhlaawd said

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@SolitudeZero

No one is going to bother filing a lawsuit against a foreign defendant for $2,000.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 2:45PM SolitudeZero said

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@Ohhlaawd

Oh, I know this.

It would make for an interesting precedent if someone were willing to do it though?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2011 4:03PM Shadowstorm said

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@Ohhlaawd Just one person? Maybe not. But 20% of an estimated $3 billion industry? That's far from peanuts.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 12:01PM Scuffles said

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Aww thats cute some economy in a poor country might in some way be bolstered, that makes it all right ! /warm fuzzies

Wait .... no ..... no it doesn't.

I'd be more receptive if it wasn't for all the spam, bots and account theft.
I'd be more sympathetic to the companies running the games if they would put more active effort into thwarting RMT.

Posted: Apr 8th 2011 12:42PM Amaxe said

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@Dril

So cutting through all your personal attacks, your comment boils down to: "If you're poor, you can harass, steal and otherwise cause trouble for other people and if they object, they're selfish?

To borrow from a theme of Carnac the Magnificent, may all the impoverished gold farmers all direct their pleas to you at once.

What's that? You report them and file complaints? How can you be so selfish and insensitive?
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 12:53PM Scuffles said

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@Dril

You sir have made me see the error of my ways, blind compassion is my new mantra. Next time I see someone spamming endlessly in global or have my umpteenth mob stolen by a bot or find out that my friend had his account hijacked and looted (again).... I will make it my point to find and shake the hand of the poor soul responsible.

Because desperate times call for desperate measures and the ends always justify the means.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 1:23PM Lenn said

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@Scuffles Make sure to also shake the hand of the people who made the components inside the computer you play your games on, and the people who made the clothes you're wearing while playing those games, and the food you're eating, the car you're driving to work where you earn the money to afford the subscriptions to those games, etc.

I understand being unhappy about the whole goldfarming business, but there's no need to get on a high horse when you can fall off that easily.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 2:28PM Scuffles said

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@Lenn

Not really that high a horse, more of a pony really. Tho incidents involving horses, falls and blackberry bushes have left me somewhat wary of the animals :P

See here is the thing, last time I checked I have never been mugged by the people you listed. Nor have I ever found them inside my house stealing components out of my computer to sell to other people.

As such I would gladly thank them and present them with a hearty handshake as I have already gladly given them monetary compensation for their wares.

I do not take issue with All RMT, according to the BBC I'm actually mostly fine with ~30% of it. Generally I write off corporate whining about RMT in their games as corporate whining. Mainly because short of saying "Its bad" they aren't willing to put the effort in to stop it.

What I do take issue with is the remaining 70% majority.

Out of its purported 3billion in the global market that means ~2.1billion are being derived from cheats and thieves. Less than a billion of that is from legitimate endeavors.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 3:57PM jslim419 said

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@Scuffles

you should also give all of your IRL money to ever beggar you see, and then when your broke buy it back from them when they open up a cash advance loan business.
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Posted: Apr 8th 2011 4:57PM Ordegar said

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@Lenn

Except that the gold farmers are selling gold so people can cheat in their game. That's profoundly different than someone working at a motherboard factory.
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