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Posted: Mar 25th 2011 8:03PM Furdinand said

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Gaming left that edge behind miles ago. Who under 40 isn't playing a game of some kind? If nothing else, on smart phones, the Wii, or Facebook?

Posted: Mar 25th 2011 8:32PM Space Cobra said

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@Furdinand

While there are still plenty of people who could be introduced to gaming, even on a daily or weekly basis, I do gotta agree with you.

When most new technologies get pushed out, people start to add a game to it. Heck, this was even true of computers, when all those surveys were answered ("way back then") that people bought computers for "work" but we really knew they (and us) bought them for games!

Heck, even on the Kindle you can play Zork if you download it! I am glad games are getting more mainstream and there is still more room for improvement, but this "train" has left that basement at least 7-10 years ago and is now in the family room (or at least a corner of the family room).
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Posted: Mar 25th 2011 8:33PM Yog said

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@Furdinand

A lot of people who play shooters still think people who play MMOs, or RPGs in general, are geeks.
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Posted: Mar 25th 2011 8:36PM Space Cobra said

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@Yog

Damn, talk about your pots and kettle situation with all the blackness and all that!
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Posted: Mar 25th 2011 9:20PM Mystal said

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Mike Morhaime also believes that water is close to being wet. Any day now he believes that., at least as far as World of Warcraft is concerned, we will finally cross that liquid threshold.

Hey Mike, Madden broke down the geek stigma on video games a decade ago, and the Wii and smartphones finished cleaning up.

But hey, these are the same guys who really thought they were going to be trendy and hip and redefine gaming with facebook integration. Apparently, they had a company wide lobotomy about two years ago, and a lot of them had a little extra taken out.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 9:50AM KvanCetre said

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I love Massively. Some people here will rage at Blizzard for anything they say/do.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 10:48AM (Unverified) said

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@Mystal

Seriously? To the majority of people outside of the world of gaming (indeed, all of those people *you* don't know or who don't know *you*) it is still a geeky, basement-dweller pursuit.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 2:58PM Mystal said

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No, not really. My 50 year old mother players facebook games. My dad and his buddies all have PS-3s or Xbox 360s. The most mainstream people in the world play games like Madden, Call of Duty, Wii Fit, Rock Band, etc. I had a man who had to be in his 70s approach me the other day while I was playing "Angry Birds" on my phone. He wanted to let me know he's so addicted to the game that he went and bought and iPad after his grandkids showed it to him.

Gaming IS mainstream and it's been mainstream for awhile now. The only people who think it's still geeky are 1) Luddites who probably still don't know how to program their VCR and 2) Shame filled nerds who have spent so much of their lives being embarrassed about their socially unacceptable hobby that they don't talk about it enough with other people to realize that every one is playing video games.

Now, there are many MMO players who are truly social pariahs, but that's because they're obsessed with it, engage in things like cosplay and LARP, and in general take it to a level that has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with wanting to escape from their real life. People like that are always going to be looked at as pathetic, whether they fill their need with video games, porn, dog shows, collecting beanie babies, having a house full of cats, joining the Tea Party movement, or whatever.

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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 3:09PM Mystal said

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@KvanCetre

Blizzard's done more than enough to deserve the criticism. If you think they're doing a great job and they're really in touch with the desires of their customers, then be sure to log onto the official WoW forums and let them know. They get a lock of flak, so I'm sure they'd appreciate the kind words.

However, pretending that the criticism is just a "Massively" thing or that the criticism is irrational (that the same people would criticize them no matter what) is naive. I've played Blizzard games since the original Warcraft: Orcs and Humans. They were once far and away the best game design studio on earth, IMO, and they had the best all around MMO for 5 years.

But for some reason, at some point in the past few years, they've slipped big time, not just with WoW, but with Starcraft and Battle.net. So often now they're making decisions which make no sense from a game design perspective, and are clearly being driven by cluelessness or just a desire to maximize profits. Making money for your investors is a great way to run a business, but that's got to be balance against providing a great product for your customers, so that they continue to be your customers.

The people running Blizzard, and the people above them, have no clue any longer what makes a great game, and they don't seem to care that much. Their comments are the comments I'd expect from old people who know they're past their prime and just want to hang around and milk the cash cow for as long as they possibly can.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 4:38PM Borick said

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@Mystal "many MMO players ... are ... social pariahs ... because they're obsessed ... with wanting to escape from their real life."

Apologies for the editing, but isn't it a bit of a chicken and egg thing? Are they pariahs because they want to escape, or are they pariahs, and are looking to escape?

I don't disagree with your assessment, but with fantasy roleplaying video games becoming mainstream, it tickles the irony button a bit.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 9:12PM Mystal said

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@Borick
It's a bit of both. Some people aren't interested in being part of mainstream society. Some people may want to, but don't have the social capability. Either way, these folks would be outsiders with or without video games. They may give gamers a bad name, but they no longer represent more than a niche portion of the gamer population.

They're probably more common among fantasy MMO gamers than COD or madden players, whose fantasies (playing a sport or killing people in combat) are a little closer to human reality.
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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 12:20AM xyna031 said

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I still wish that all MMO gamers were geeks, the community would be alot friendlyer atleast in wow, almost all of all kiddos and jerks come from fps community.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 9:51AM KvanCetre said

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@xyna031

You did play EQ, right? I remember PLENTY of jerks.
Don't let nostalgia cloud your memory :)
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Posted: Mar 26th 2011 12:53PM (Unverified) said

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"gaming is on the edge of not being the basement-geek entertainment anymore" ???? WTF.
Where the hell has Pardo been hiding the last 5 years? Oh right that vault where he does his Scrooge McDuck impressions.
Can't wait for the new 5 man "fun and engaging"AQ dungeons and the "new and exciting" bug mounts.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 1:17PM Borick said

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These guys sound like they came out of a time machine from ten years ago.

I can understand the disconnect, however. They still think that they are developing products, long past the point where their customers see them as providing a service.

Welcome to the service industry, AAA MMO design team. Remember to ask the customer if he would like a microtransaction pony with his McMMO.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 2:24PM suicideking89 said

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This is exactly the type of hubris and self-indulgence one normally associates with overpaid, over-hyped athletes who mistakenly tie their own greatness in as the sole reason for the rest of the team doing well.

Make no mistake, Blizzard has contributed greatly to the success of the MMO market.

But so has high speed internet, better PC's, more disposable income, more free time, and a market with better game designers than it had 10 or 15 years ago. Does AT&T need to remind you that it is over 135 years old? Of course not.

Anyone who has played WoW lately realizes exactly how arrogant the company has become in general.

Yes, I've been playing WoW since 2006, I have the credentials to make this statement. Let the fanboi flamefest begin.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 4:58PM Nenene said

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I knew Actiblizzard's higher ups were waaaaaaaaaay out of touch, but this? Holy crap. Did Kotick invite them over to swim around in his money vault a la Scrooge McDuck, and they had so much fun they just didn't go outside for like.....6 years?

Morhaime and Pardo needs to wise up, fast.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 6:02PM Graill440 said

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Blizzard was great until the french got ahold of it (nothing personal), with the loss of Blizzard north, everything changed, the game would most likely be larger than it is and a true powerhouse instead of a disliked AOL clone that people are simply used to using, and not because they like it.

Posted: Mar 26th 2011 8:42PM SaintV said

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At one time a great company but time has simply passed them by. No longer the great devs that made them what they are 20 years ago work there and now they milk WoW as much as they can because they aren't as talented as they used to be.

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