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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 9:18AM blix2006 said

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first time playing it what yesterday...had fun till i found out you have to pay real money to group with your friends....we all uninstalled it after that.

Posted: Mar 18th 2011 10:20AM Renyojd said

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@blix2006

Well - pity you're going to miss out on a great game because you can't group with two of your friends in random matches of fifteen players. ;-) As is, during beta, you get free gold that you could use to sort that - but obviously you're not going to stay around for that.

Still - I know what you mean – it was a bit of a sticking point for some when introduced. Doesn't bother me - but it does bother some - and some just don't see why they have to pay anything. Which is good - since you can enjoy almost everything in the game without having to pay anything. :-)

To clarify the above – there is no direct payment to group with your friends but, to create a short-term 'platoon' of three players that go into games together – one of the three players has to be a 'premium' member at that time. Premium membership is entirely optional otherwise, should cost about $10 for a month, and give you a 50% experience and credit boost for all games played.

You can also group with fourteen others in a short-term 'company'. I don't have experience with this, but believe one (more?) person needs to be a premium member in order to create this. As far as you grouping with clan mates for clan battles - there is no cost to you to do this – although this system hasn't been released to the non-RUS servers yet (and won't be till after release due to more testing and optimisation).

Otherwise – still immensely enjoying the game – and looking forward to release! :-D
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 10:56AM (Unverified) said

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@Renyojd The premium maybe optional at first, but when you get to Teir 7 and 8 tanks they become unplayable due to repair and ammo costs. If it wasnt for the free gold during beta, my Tiger/Tiger II would have never been used, Even in good games, the profits were so marginal that it would have taken forever to earn the VK4502 let alone play it for any length of time.

Not to mention over the last few beta patches the dev's have been nerfing American and German tanks, while buffing Russian tanks more.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 11:37AM (Unverified) said

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True it wold be tough gaining and then supporting Tier7+ tanks without any use of premium. It is a great game though (even with the very VERY obvious bias to the Russian tanks....) , so I have no issue with rewarding them for their efforts by buying some premium time. However, I won't do gold consumables though since I do feel that is a major balance issue. A person can also just do premium time to get into the tank they want, and then pay for its non-premium time upkeep by using a more profitable lower tier tank occasionally.

It's too good of a game to just toss aside like what Blix2006 is doing. Why some people seem to refuse to pay anything to support the people who make the games we enjoy is beyond me.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 11:39AM TtD Scoop said

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@blix2006 I cannot agree more with how terrible of an idea that is. My friends and I play an MMO to play together and to make new friends. I feel that without the ability to join with friends, new or old, how much can this game really appeal to F2Pers? Doesn't it just turn it into a round based game like call of duty but on tracks? If that's what you're looking for, fine but don't try and call it a FTP MMO. The game is great and we're having a lot of fun playing it but we're all unanimous that once it goes live we have no intention of playing due to the Pay-to-group concept.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 1:24PM Jef Reahard said

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@Renyojd

I'll never understand the mentality of folks who don't think they should pay for their entertainment (not directed at you specifically, but the "some people" you mentioned).

These devs have spent years of their lives, not to mention millions of dollars, designing and building this game, and will continue to spend money to keep the infrastructure running.

Where do folks get off thinking that they shouldn't have to pay for that? it boggles the mind, truly.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 4:47PM blix2006 said

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@Jef Reahard

don't mistake what i said...i don't mind paying for things in f2p games...you don't even wanna know how much i have dropped into league of legends...what i don't approve of are extremes like not being able to have basic functionality like playing with friends..this is outrageous.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 8:52PM Jef Reahard said

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@blix2006

I get you, I was talking about the folks you mentioned who get irritated at having to pay for anything.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 8:52PM Jef Reahard said

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@Jef Reahard

Actually the folks that Renyojd mentioned. Stupid comment system.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 11:35AM Pingles said

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I use this game for quick battles when I don't have time to MMO.

While it does have a deeper, MMO-ish gaming experience the free portion is a great lobby game.

Also, I recommend sticking to light tanks. Once you get to Medium or Heavy the repair costs will keep your in-game cash near zero.

Besides, bottom tier is fun to fight against. Most are idiots, like me!

Posted: Mar 18th 2011 12:15PM (Unverified) said

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@Pingles

I wouldnt go so far as to say stick to light tanks, but dont go any further than the 5th or 6th teir. My 3601 (H) was amazing fun to play once you got the L/70 or the 8.8mm gun, and had great profits as well.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 4:46PM blix2006 said

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don't mistake what i said...i don't mind paying for things in f2p games...you don't even wanna know how much i have dropped into league of legends...what i don't approve of are extremes like not being able to have basic functionality like playing with friends..this is outrageous.

Posted: Mar 18th 2011 4:47PM blix2006 said

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@blix2006

ignore this...double post
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Posted: Mar 18th 2011 6:51PM Renyojd said

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@ Unverified

Sensible point – not disagreeing with you here. :-) But... ( ;-) ), firstly going past Tier 6 or 7 could be considered optional – as there is a lot of fun to be had up to that level anyway (and ongoing – my favourite vehicles are in the Tier 3-6 range – I play them far more than my Tier 9-10's.). Also, depends on your success at the higher levels, but you should be able to support the higher tiers by running a good and fully loaded 'credit farming' tank/spg or two (maybe Tier 6) – which is also fun to play! I quite like the thought of that aspect!

But, yes, you have a point – the upgrade and maintenance costs at the higher levels 'encourage' you to want premium. I'd say that if you get to this point and still want to keep going – then the developers deserve some of your money. :-) (and, not to say that you need to maintain premium each month ongoing)

As far as the Russian bias comment – meh – these comments are starting to annoy me! ;-) Yes, there are good Russian tanks. There are good German and US tanks. Part of the reason the Russians are considered better is (probably) that their advantages play towards what people consider more fun in the current maps and game modes – mobility/versatility (to generalise). I levelled German before the wipe and Russian after – and intend to level German on release.


***One thing I'd want to get across to anyone is that this game is fun to play – and really doesn't require you to spend any money to enjoy the majority of it.***


(As mentioned, if you want a garage full of top tier tanks and play heavily then, yes, paying money is especially helpful. That said – you *can* still achieve all this without spending any money (except for any extra garage slots over five that you need – which are only available for gold – about $1 each?) - just that it will take you longer and require more effort to cover the maintenance if you run your top tier vehicles in a credit deficit).

Indeed, I think that is how they will make their money. I'm generally rather careful (about getting value) with my money but I enjoy the game for so many reasons, and there is so little pressure / need to spend money to enjoy it, that I feel comfortable and encouraged to spend some money to further my experience (to the point that I actually *want* to support the developers!).

{@blix2006}

Given this though – it *is* a bit of a pity that platooning does require someone to have premium – as there are enough other useful features that encourage (but don't force) buying gold.

Posted: Mar 19th 2011 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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I've been messing around with this game for a week and have been having a bit of fun. I wouldn't call it an MMO, though. Basically, it's a slower paced shooter, with a grind gate to get more powerful weapons.

I'm wondering about the pricing though, and haven't heard what it's going to be. The 250 free gold per day I've been getting in the beta is pretty useful, and I've been using just about all of it. And I'm only at tier four! If there's a $10/month 'premium' membership charge as well as a gold charge, this game could get pretty expensive. Best case is one cent per gold. At the current exchange rate for gold to credits (1 gold -> 100 credits), a top tier tank will cost you over $600! Of course you could grind to get credits, but I'm guessing that will be pretty close to impossible. The gold is also very useful for transferring experience from 'level-capped' lower tier tanks to 'leveling' upper tier tanks. This is actually where I have spent most of my gold.

But the game is fun for an hour or so now and then in tier three, and you can (probably) make it there without any payments. I recommend interested players give it a chance.

Posted: Mar 19th 2011 1:38PM Renyojd said

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Glad you are enjoying it!

Premium (which is optional - for the 50% credit & exp. boost - and the mentioned 'platooning' with friends) will be available for 2500 gold.

Gold prices haven't been released yet - but the 'suggested' cost banded around by users is that 2500 gold = $10.

(FYI, the preorder gold packages are likely to have 10% discount)

1 gold = 400 credits. The most expensive vehicles in the game cost 6.1million credits. At the above, this would work out at 15,250 gold, or $61. The cost ramps up a lot at the end though. Tier 6 vehicles can cost roughly 700k credits, which works out to 1,750 gold, or $7. As said - you can earn these credits, and these tanks, ('easily enough') without ever having to spend a penny! :-)

(Please note - you can't just buy these vehicles - you have to earn xp and level up to them - and this will earn you plenty of credits anyway. There are some, very specific, tanks that can be bought outright for 750/1500 gold ($3/$6, given the above) - but these are at the lower/mid level - and generally aren't as competative as the ones you research at the same level. Their benefit is that you can buy them ;-) - and they are quite cheap to run - so can be used to 'farm' credits. :-) )

(N.B. If you sell at tank, or equipment, you get 50% of the cost value back in credits :-) )

Not that I want to discourace people from buying credits (!) but, although some may want to exchange some gold for credits to skip / boost some of the early level stuff - if you are going to play a reasonable few hours over the month (30h+?) - especially once you are through the quick and easy first three or so tiers - it will probably work out better to pay for premium. Plus it give you an exp. boost and feels better 'value'! :-)

Tier 6 (mediums in particular) are considered rather good credit farming vehicles. Indeed (especially when upgraded) you should be able to run a constant profit in these vehicles even without premium.
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