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Posted: Mar 13th 2011 8:00AM Purkit said

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Never. As someone that has no patience for the grind and a full time job, I'd rather quit a game than buy gold.

Posted: Mar 13th 2011 12:02PM Valdamar said

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Never! Never have, never been tempted, never felt I needed to.

And I never will, because:

- I don't want more gold-farmers monopolising spawns in my MMOs and abusing me in broken English when I try to complete a quest in the area
- I don't want more annoying gold-spam on public channels and being sent to me by /tell
- I don't want more spam in my in-game email box
- I don't want more junk mail phishing scams turning up in my out-of-game email inbox trying to get my game passwords from me
- I don't want my account stolen/hacked by a power-levelling service (and gold-farmers always seem to offer that too)
- I don't want my credit card details being in the hands of gold-farmers so that they could use it to buy stuff on the Internet (or use it for funding criminal causes), leaving me with the major hassle of proving I was defrauded
- I don't want my account banned by the developers/publishers of my MMO
- I don't want developers to start thinking that there's such a massive demand for buying in-game currency that they start doing it themselves then balance their games so that I HAVE to buy in-game currency
- it further monetises the games industry and encourages developers to put cash shops in their games and make us pay even more than we are now to enjoy playing MMOs
- I don't like "pay to win" as it is basically cheating
- I don't like players who buy gold/power-levelling, because they contribute far less to the game/community than the honest players who would actually be social and team with other players while earning gold/levels legitimately
- I wouldn't know if the gold-farmer I was paying the money to was raising funds for organised crime or terrorism
- money given to gold-farmers is not improving the game in any way whatsoever, because it does not go towards further game development
- money given to gold-farmers is not funding future games
- I don't want rampant inflation in my MMOs that causes newbies to be unable to afford anything on the auction house because the gold-buyers are throwing ridiculous sized bids around
- I don't want rampant inflation in my MMOs that forces the Devs to put more cash sinks into the game to try and reduce the overall flow of money, thus causing players who haven't bought gold to struggle
- I don't want the in-game economy being even harder to balance for the developers, because that takes development time away from developing new content/features that would be a lot more interesting than economic "improvements"
- similarly I don't want developers to have to waste even more time/money/resources combating gold-farming/botting/phishing scams when they could be using that time/money/resources to develop more fun features/content for the game instead
- I don't want players who have had their accounts stolen/banned as a result of buying gold to fill up the customer service queue, or complaints about gold-farmers/botters to fill up the customer service queue, so that I have to wait even longer for a GM to answer my petition/ticket
- gold-buying players, who selfishly want to skip large sections of the game by taking shortcuts such as buying gold to skip ahead of other players, are likely not the kind of players who want to work towards a shared goal with others, so they're not the kind of people I want to game with in an MMO
- if part of the game is so dull that I would want to skip it by buying gold, then I'd rather not play such a dull game any longer, and certainly wouldn't want to throw more money into that game, when I could just look for a new game to play instead
- I've been hating on gold-farmers for the past decade and I'm not a hypocrite

Posted: Mar 13th 2011 12:50PM Luk said

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@Valdamar
Could not have said it better myself. 100% agree.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2011 1:10PM AceUnbound said

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Well, I'll be honest. When I first started playing FFXI, I wasn't very good at getting gil but then I got amazing at it! So for a long time I never bought any gil at all. Then I got a really good job, and it became harder for me to waste time farming when I only had like 2-3 hours a day to play. So at that point I decided to do the unthinkable and bought gil. I bought a million and it helped me greatly. I didn't have to spend my usual time farming leeches for blood and instead got to go and play with my friends for those 2 hours a day.

I guess I don't really regret it either as I used most of it to buy my friends who started with me some cool equipment off of the AH and also just generally help out new players with some boosts. I guess I could see it as cheating which is why I only used the gil to help people for the most part.

With the arise of Abyssea, however I find myself not needing gil as most equipment is not sellable on the AH. But, that said, I think if I had not had the option to buy gil at that time when I didn't want to farm. I wouldn't be playing FFXI today.

P.s Which I'm not... because the servers are down ; ;

Posted: Mar 13th 2011 9:25PM Valkesh said

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Nope, never have, never will. I play games to play them. I don't need to risk my account and financial information to some shady gold seller who's raping the game economy so I can cheat.

Posted: Mar 13th 2011 11:45PM cray said

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No, I have too much respect for the spirit of the games I play. I play them as they are intended to be played. I don't deliberate seek out ways to circumvent the game mechanics to play the game.

Posted: Mar 14th 2011 6:50AM Shadowhawke said

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No, I’m not a gold buyer, and no I’d never face a ban except by mistake. While I’m a big fan of modding, particularly with the Mechwarrior series, I run mods only.and not hacks or cheats.

For MMO’s I’ve never gone beyond client-side mods like UI’s and other graphics alters, and otherwise play them as is. Yes even in Everquest, which can be nosebleed difficult and make you think about buying plat, but I never have. I’m glad to say everything I own is under my own efforts. Also, all MMO markets I’ve seen suffer from avarice and inflation, and dumping more plat into a market can’t do anything but ill to a server market.

Posted: Mar 14th 2011 9:17AM Zanair said

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Yes, I have.
I know it goes against the EULA, but in some cases I found that I had to in order to keep up with everyone else.
My case was with FFXI, when the RMTs really got their teeth into the game. I was doing fine, farming stuff to sell for gil and camping NMs for sale or keep, and then they hit. Suddenly all the items on my server's AH was going for MILLIONS of gil and there was a bot on nearly all the good camp sites. Suddenly, I found that I could not make enough money to keep my skills supplied (ninja being a primary sub-job for my thief and others) and gear that I needed to improve my stat lines were unreachable.
The only way to keep up was to continue the vicious cycle and utilize the RMTs services.
I know some people will shout down that I could have done more to maintain self sufficiency, but I also have to point out that many of the players are also to blame for people resorting to RMTs. If you go and put that stack of items up to 1-10 million G, well... They have to get the money from somewhere and can you REALLY justify that asking price? When players start seeing that these large amounts being put down on items they jump on it and suddenly think that this MUST be the new standard for pricing.
So for all those who say that they would never use an RMT, remember if you asked for a ridiculous amount items on the Auction Houses. You might have gotten through it unscathed, but you probably drove many others to the RMTs in order to buy your goods that they needed.

Posted: Mar 14th 2011 11:40AM Tizmah said

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Exactly. We are still held responsible for buying gold which is against the rules. But in my opinion, if they really want to stop RMT, it's not by force and rules. It's by fixing what's causing it to be so rampant.
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Posted: Mar 14th 2011 6:42PM Haldurson said

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What's causing it to be so rampant is that even in games, people feel 'entitled' to have stuff without actually working for it, that they feel they have to keep up with the Joneses, that status is more important than self-respect. Or that people CAN earn others respect through status rather than from showing some backbone and resisting their lower urges.

I don't blame the gold sellers -- although I do consider them criminals. I blame the gold buyers (who are equally complicit). I'm a casual player, but the gold buyers are the TRUE carebears who want everything without effort, to the extent that they will actually dish out real cash for others to play the game for them. In most cases, it's probably not even their own money that they are spending, but that of their parents, so they probably have no concept of what it takes to earn that money. And they simply crap on their own game, the one that they claim to love so much that they can't stand to play it for themselves.
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Posted: Mar 16th 2011 2:15AM Ragemaster9999 said

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@Haldurson

I dont think for a minute that is entirely true. I think alot of people who buy gold or services is because they dont have the time to play 8 hours a day to get the gear to get the gear. I think progression and timesink and moneysinks are the true causes of gold farming. Of course, this ties into the developer aspect of things, devs need to make it easy to get money ingame, easier to level, or give bonus to "casuals" so they can keep up with people who waste their lives into the game in 8 hour blocks without feeling they willl be second class citizens and still pay the same 15 dollars a month as the hardcore people.

As far as design is concerned, In eve for example, gold farming is a problem that does not exist, you will never get random convos or mails, and CCP has done a great job combating it with PLEX as well as banning people who buy it. Generally, people do not buy pvp ships with plexes to pvp with, because everything in eve revolves around pvp... and the only thing that is permanent in eve, is your character. To me, buying a ship that can get blown up in a typical engagement equates to gambling, and in a game like eve, money is important but skill and tactics even more so,

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Posted: Mar 16th 2011 2:20AM Ragemaster9999 said

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lastly, in eve unlike most other mmos on the market, skill and teamwork and fleet composition are generally the deciding factors in a fight... not gear or money in your build. Yes having properly fit ships is important, but its not like other games where it takes hours and hours of raiding or pvp to get the gear, you just go buy some off JITA and your good to go. Eve equipment is temporary, in other games its permanent.
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Posted: Mar 16th 2011 6:25AM Haldurson said

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You do understand that no one 'needs' the gear to have fun in the game. That's what I'm talking about status. Let the guys who live only for the endgame and have no other life, play their 8 hours a day and get the uber loot -- it doesn't affect you or me whatsoever. If you are in a guild or have 'friends' that requires that kind of dedication, and you can' t commit to that time, you are in the wrong guild, and have the wrong friends.

You know what DOES affect you and me? People buying gold. It's NOT the devs fault -- mmos have followed the same formula practically forever. And the VAST majority of players casual or otherwise don't buy gold, because they don't need to. That's like blaming Hershey for children shoplifting chocolate, or banks for bankrobbers.
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Posted: Mar 14th 2011 7:27PM forstral said

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No. I hope that everyone that has bought gold gets caught and banned from their game. Because of the market for buying gold, my account was hacked and valuable items and gold were stolen by a gold seller so that they could acquire real-world cash for the in-game gold.

Posted: Mar 14th 2011 11:42PM Solp said

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I buy gold whenever I need it. Do I care? No. Will I get downrated? Yes.

Just answering the question.

Posted: Mar 15th 2011 3:07AM TheRepublic said

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NO way, Jose!

I don't plan to end up like the Martha Stuart of MMO prison!

Posted: Mar 16th 2011 2:05AM Ragemaster9999 said

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i bought gold in lots of games, including WOW (pre dailies), DAOC,. EQ and EQ2. SWG AO.. almost every game except eve ,because eve is more volatale and buying gold that could get blown up in regular play is dumb. However, the only games I ever got poped in were WOW, and it was the alt account they got not my main, so meh.

Why buy gold? Because I want to enjoy the game at level cap not farm gear to then enjoy it. I think games that have lots of money sinks (like aion) are literally inviting gold farmers. Make a game without a financial grind and you eliminate lots of potential for farming. I thought war-hammer had a good setup, as it was based around spending tokens that were nodrop.

I used IGE (one of the oldest farmers) as I never had any issues with them and they had pretty good service. I have heard of gold scamming, but never had an issue with IGE.

Posted: Mar 16th 2011 4:06AM mysecretid said

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No,

I've liked enough MMORPG games that if one feels like I need to spend real-world money just to get ahead, I'll quit and go play something else.

Posted: Mar 16th 2011 11:38AM poetker said

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Back several years ago I was tempted to buy gold in runescape, I was much younger and the allure of more cash was tempting. However the idea of getting perma banned luckily stopped me.

Posted: Mar 18th 2011 6:48PM Iceni said

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FFXI was my first MMO. I raised crafts, digging/racing birds and learned how to become more competitive with farming mobs which either dropped craft items I needed or high demand items. As a result, I could make items that I needed or purchase whatever I wanted.

I never used 3rd party applications either. I played the game as intended.

I watched how illegal RMTs monopolized mobs using bear minimal gear while most of the player base were more intent on obtaining "l33t gearz" and hitting high damage.

Eventually, endgamers got the idea that using third party applications was a way to level the playing field. As a result, not only were illegal RMTs using hacks and cheats, many endgamers were as well. Old endgame had evolved.

Thus, "l33t gearz" was more status symbol than that of necessity. There were times that the "l33t" lacked strategy and skill as if simply possessing the best of the best was enough. Neglecting to study mob and environmental factors, neglecting to study competition behavior and neglecting to level weapon or magic skill like everyday kata can make for very sloppy playing style no matter how much game money is purchased to get the best gear.

The latest content to FFXI catered to fast track acquisition of l33t endgame gear and rapid leveling while at the same time curtailed much RMT activity.

Fast track to becoming l33t sometimes makes for l33t noobs and leeches.

In a large MMORPG, teamwork has to account for the least common denominator be it lack of decent gear or skill.

Of course playing at a less efficient level with friends and doing silly things can be a source of enjoyment.

Me, I find the grind relaxing like doing an hour or so of kata. Grouping with old friends who tend to be forgetful can make for fun and challenging times. Inevitably, someone forgets an essential item and we all need to switch to Plan B to accomplish a task in a less efficient albeit hilarious way.

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