RIFT's endgame detailed in 18-minute video

@Bartlebe

Yeah, chances are they'll be expanding on the dynamic/unpredictable parts more, since... that's really the thing that sets this game apart from others, and it'd be more fun that way to not be able to really predict what's going to happen during end-game runs or whatnot.

@Bartlebe
Theres only actually ONE raid

@Dunraven Raids are killing WoW? How clueless and uninformed can you be? People want group content and raids. If you think otherwise you probably have never played an MMO or have never been in a guild.

@Dunraven

Your entire posit lacks sense.
You are saying what TOR and GW2 have but these games are not even close to finished.

@(Unverified)

That's rather presumptious of you to suggest those who don't do raiding or like raiding are bads. Strawman much?

And to the rest, I don't agree with Dunraven either that raids are killing WoW. If that where true...WoW would of long been dead. Not the seemingly impossible to knock out bemoth as it is today.

And I suspect Trion's motivations for creating raids is to give something players to do when they reached max level. Rather than having players get bored and wander off to play another game. I'm not sure this is the best solution....but there you go.

@Sharuk

Eh, that's debatable. You should have been a bit more narrow and specific when you say "people" as you make it seem like you're referring to everyone, which I think we can both agree is obviously not true. A lot of people, myself lately being one of them, play MMOs and join guilds for the social aspects, but not necessarily group content.

WoW does have a very heavy focus on raiding as a player's primary means of progression, which isn't entirely a positive thing. Crafting has always been kind of second-rate and kind of gimped. PvP is better now with the addition of rated BGs, but the difference in gear between PvP and PvE makes it a one-or-the-other type situation that still limits player choice. Questing after 85 for reward is non-existent.

I don't really have a suggestion for a better system, but I would like to see a game with better rewards based around challenging solo content (long, difficult, demanding quest chains and what have you) and smaller group content that requires a significant degree of coordination greater than the current tank/healer/DPS dynamic that exists virtually across the board.

@Dunraven

Man there are a lot of stupid responses to this. Believe it or not, for the people who have lives, raiding is not enjoyable or appealing because the time commitment is too much. Plus it's repetitive and BORING. I also am disappointed that this game's only end-game focus is raiding. But for a game that does nothing but follow generic conventions, is it surprising? No.

I think what a lot of people dislike is that only a small minority of an MMORPG's population do PvE raids and PvP, but those two "endgame" activities tend to get the lion's share of the Developer's time after a game has launched - and they also tend to cause a lot of far reaching effects that bleed down into normal gameplay that everyone engages in e.g. classes or powers getting nerfed or constantly rebalanced because of exploitative use in PvP or PvE raids that trickles down and impacts the power/enjoyment of the class in PvE for everyone at lower levels.

@Khalus

"Screw end game" is kind of a broken philosophy. If Trion hadn't put any effort into the end game, you'd have absolutely nothing to do once you hit level 50.

The best of the best gear is always going to be available in the big-group content like it is in every other MMO, due to the fact that it's an MMO. It's supposed to encourage cooperative play with multiple people. There are two levels of "heroic" encounters for every instance in the game to gather huge upgrades for smaller groups, and any geared Joe and Jane can come join these Raid Rifts if you want to play the encounters.

If you're looking for the best of the best gear without having to actually work with a group in an MMO, I think you may be forgetting that MMO means Massively Multiplayer Online.

I'm honestly glad that they will continue to use the Rift mechanic even at end-game. That was my biggest fear.

@Khalus

Both GW2 and TOR have asked the same question and their answer is why not make duos and trios viable? I get that Raiders get really snarky anytime some questions the Raid paradigm, but like it or not it is becoming less and less possible and trip to a GDC in the past few years will tell you just how unpopular it has become...the problem is most developers can't provide an alternative because raids are cheaper and easier to make than story arch quest lines.

People automatically assume because I think that more people are not wanting raid I must suck at raiding or whatever...the server first my guild had in EQ says differently. But like a growing number of veteran raiders..been there done that.

Even Jeff Kaplan Mr. Raid or Die himself has said that raiding is becoming less viable as an acceptable end game; like it was said i a previous post I want a journey... an adventure not some cookie cutter scripted event that I have to watch over and over again on YouTube to accomplish.

The developers that can provide this will have millions of eager players begging to shove money in their pockets..not so much for yet another raid centric mmo.

@SeriousTable ~ "If Trion hadn't put any effort into the end game, you'd have absolutely nothing to do once you hit level 50."


Precisely, hence the term "End Game" the game should be pretty much over; save for going back and doing things you skipped or missed out on. Or just roll a new char if thats what you like, or heck going back and helping other player and being a part of the community~!

An MMO should be a journey of rich lore and story content with so many things to do, why would anyone want to rush to the fabled end-game, its dumb! I mean seriously what is the point of buying a new game and rush as fast as possible through all the other content just to get to end game where you do the same boring raid over and over and over just for a new piece of gear.

Rift with all its massively-open-world-community-engaging "Rifts" and "Invasions" ~ I thought finally a developer that understands what MMOs have been missing out on since 2004~ and then BAM, you hit level 50 and the devs sink back into the lame instanced-raid-lets funnel all the players away from each other into really small groups where they don't work together and instead just become a bunch of snide bitches pining for the new shiny piece of gear!

What gives!?!?

@Khalus

First of all Khalus there is nothing stopping you from enjoying the content from lv1 till 50 on your pace and secondly you talk about max level players not working together but doesn't raids, rifts and warfronts exactly make you do that?

Actually you sound kinda bitter to me when you get provided a fun journey and then complain that the max level players get content as well.

@Khalus

If you play only to "earn the best of the best gear", please don't play Rift.
I'd like to play a game in which the community's only goal isn't getting purple pixels for epeen flexing