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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:29PM Tom in VA said

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@Heraclea

Amen.

Kudos to any game that does this. LotRO does something similar, since it allows you to wear one armor but show (on your avatar) any armor you like.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 11:50AM Jade Effect said

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ArenaNet can get away with a bikini top, a loincloth and tattoos as "armor".

http://images.wikia.com/gw/images/7/7e/Monk_Dragon_Armor_F_gray_front.jpg

But no, it's unthinkable to criticize the darling that's gonna revolutionalize MMO games with Guild Wars 2, so we must turn our double standards elsewhere.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:19PM wardo said

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@Jade Effect

Except that the monk in that picture is nothing like the sexualization that is on display elsewhere. First, her breasts are entirely covered and completely downplayed in that outfit and second, the tattoos do more to cover her than most of the outfits in Aion or Tera.

Also consider that the monk in the GW picture actually has real life equivalents in our world. There are many tribes throughout the world where warriors still wear loincloths and that's pretty much it. So that monk is much more believable.

On the other hand, why would a knight bother to put on an absurdly heavy suit of armor and then cut away parts of the suit that actually protect the vital organs? It makes no sense as a design. That's why it's so obvious in some cases. I don't mind sexing up characters in the slightest, but for crying out loud don't dress them so stupidly. It just makes it obvious that it's about selling sex at that point.

Finally, consider the GW monk's animations. Nothing sexual about them at all. Contrast that to some of the animations we've seen from Tera and it's even more obvious that they are simply catering to teenage boy's (and emotionally stunted grown men's) libidos.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 1:12PM MrsAngelD said

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@Jade Effect You have to realize that though that armor exists for monks in GW it's just one of Many. In GW you have lot's of Armor options (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Monk_Armor) The fact that in GW your Stats aren't tied to a particular piece of armor or a particular weapon allows for Lot's and Lot's of choice in how you can make your character look. I think that is the biggest thing, when a person has a choice between stripperific and Sexy. I think that's why their aren't that many complaints about GW compared to other games. Don't like the way a certian armor set looks? Don't wear it you have choice, heck you don't even need to wear the armor sets now you can get cosmetics from the In Game store. (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Costume#Gallery) I think the biggest thing is not forcing people to look at stripperific all the time.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:05PM Utakata said

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I just want a game where I can dress up all my characters as Sailor Scouts. /sigh

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 5:27PM FaerliSayne said

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@Utakata

I would go for that if they also implemented a bishoujo transformation/introduction/attack emote.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:30PM Owlcat said

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Oh look ANOTHER piece about skippy female armor. I think one of these gets started somewere on the internet every week.
Dead horse. In skippy armor.
How about something different? Like how alot of male armor is so over done they shouldn't even be able to move! Just running 100 feet should require them to mana up. Thoughout history most armor hasn't covered the whole body. Its heavy and restricts movement. Also it can get pretty hot in full plate.
Just think about those deserts most mmos have. Who would live longer? Skippy armor girl or the guy in the porta oven?

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 3:32PM Heraclea said

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@Owlcat

Choosy heroines choose Jif.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:32PM cored said

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I prefer more realistic female armor, as it helps with immersion, but cheesecake/beefcake is, as some mentioned, a fantasy tradition, so I generally give games a pass on it.

Is anyone actually turned on by toons though? I mean, it's not like actual pr0n isn't just a few clicks away...

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 5:29PM Theodorus said

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@cored

It's all just ones and zeros...I'll take a hot, scantily clad elf chick any day over "actual" pron, which is also just somebody else's fantasy.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:36PM Djinn said

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I personally have never understood the attraction to a cartoon. There are comments that as long as men are objectified also, its ok. I don't agree - I'm not looking at any male cartoon character and thinking "ooo, he's hot". And my mystification is further piqued by the knowledge that the majority of those female cartoons that people are getting hot over are played by males. Makes me LOL all the time.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 5:36PM Theodorus said

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@Djinn

Sorry, but your analysis is pretty flawed. I could care less who is "playing" the hot female elf chick. Is it really a guy? Well, tee hee.

It's not like we're ever going to hook up. It's just a little eye candy. And no, I don't flirt with avatars in online games. I don't care whether they're really chicks or not, but safe to say they probably don't look much like their online representations...

As others have mentioned, most women are not as visually oriented as most guys, so there is no equivalent in scantily clad male toons...mostly, they just look kind of femme and fruity.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:38PM Djinn said

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Actually the skimpy clad girl would have just as bad a time. Ever see a skimpy clad Arab? Even the men who don't have the same restrictions as women wear long sleeves and their head covered. Being practically naked in a hot, dry environment is not good for survival.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:38PM Djinn said

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That was supposed to be a reply to Owlcat. Stupid system.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:47PM mszv said

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I wrote on my blog that if you play these games, you have to make your peace with popular culture, or you won't get to play. So, in Guild Wars, my elementalist is wearing an attractive outfit that looks like she is eating lunch at a cafe on the beach -- she's pulled her pareo on over her swimsuit and is out at the beachside cafe. It's a lovely outfit for beach or poolside. Even though the skirt is sheer, I could not wait to get her in that pareo skirt, much better than what she started with. Guild Wars also has "armor" you can buy for show, doesn't affect stats -- I'm thinking of buying some.

But -- there's popular culture and there's popular culture. At least in Guild Wars she's looks more like she is at a resort than the female model in that Tera outfit -- where she looks like she's selling it.

I'd like the females to be more covered up. I'd also like the clothes to look like they fit without being glued on. If they can't all be more covered up, I'd at least like there to be a choice where a character I create can be covered up. Popular culture isn't all one thing, and we get to change it by making our wishes known.

As to who makes these things -- don't know about Tera, but on Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 there are women in the group making the human (humanoid) character models.

Also, from what I've read on the Guild Wars 2 blog, Arenanet does get complaints about their female character models. From what I'm reading, they are attempting to provide options. While the female models that I've seen in GW2 look too skimpy for my tastes, they look positively demure compared to other game character models.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 12:49PM ndessell said

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to be fair, tanking is a metal bikini take a great deal more 'balls' than say the guy walking around in a tin can. And lets be fair in a more realistic world most anyone in plate would be heavy weight boxer ugly after a few rounds with 30ft monsters beating their face in all day.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 5:38PM Theodorus said

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@ndessell

metal bikini = aoe mezz...
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 1:08PM Thorqemada said

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I am for choice, mmos arent longer living worlds and the percent of covered skin has nothing to do with the rate of protection, so i am for choice, for noble, elegant, sexy, erotic, pragamatic, formal, frightening, whatever style you can imagine, but in high quality.
Beside this, as man for my male chars i have higher expectation on the quality of armor and char generation and i am never satisfied with human males so i go for non human chars or females.
Maybe sometimes in the future we get a living believeable mmo-world where the chocie of armor isnt pure stylistic and mood but has impact...

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 1:21PM vanmeer said

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I really don't care about how little the armor covers the body and how a lot of people say its not going to protect the female toon. Its a game and a game can set the protection of the armor to any lvl.

I play a female in most game because I am a guy and I really don't like looking at a man's butt all day. My girlfriend plays a lot of mmo's too and she almost always plays a guy toon. For very similar reasons.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 1:47PM Krayzjoel said

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OMFG people. It's FANTASY gaming. You know the word FANTASY? Look it up in a dictionary. Its not suppose to be about realism! Its where volupous women and super buff men overcome the odds. Some of you get way too offended way too easily. If you dont like something about a game game dont play it!

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