| Mail |
You might also like: WoW Insider, Joystiq, and more

Reader Comments (91)

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:45AM OmegaDestroyer said

  • 1 heart
  • Report
Is TERA is some kind of a Japanese Prostitute Dating RPG?

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:21AM Syesta said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@OmegaDestroyer Korean :3
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:45AM Tom in VA said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
The irony of "stripperific" armors is that, while they are intended, surely, to entice players into a game, they are a big negative for me. When I see screenshots of such armors and ads (TERA, Evony, lol), the tactic fairly screams "We are a cheesy MMO, but we have big big boozums? You like?"

Those are the kinds of joints where you're likely to -- virtually speaking, of course -- end up in some back alley with your head reeling and your (virtual) wallet gone. Not, errr...., that anything like that has ever happened to me, of course. ;)

Posted: Feb 12th 2011 6:29AM InspectorDubplate said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@Tom in VA why does everyone say armors???? 'armor' is plural!!!!
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:47AM FrostPaw said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
The truth is most women like to look sexy and most men like looking at sexy women. So while most of us all know that its not quite right for female characters in games to be so innappropriately dressed for their professions women would rather look sexy then genderless or dull and men would rather they looked sexy otherwise they may aswell play male characters.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:47AM Hjordis said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I'm a female mmo enthusiast and I have to say that I actually like the sexier armor. Aion was the first game that I'd seen such a thing and at first it was a bit weird since I was used the AoC armor and Warhammer where only squishies were minimally clothed, which made sense to me. I eventually got used to Aion's metal miniskirts and combat in 4 inch heels (made me laugh so hard in beta tho). In fantasy mmos I think sexed-up gear works because its just that- a fantasy, where realism need not be strictly adhered to.

As an aside, is it just me or is it primarily Asian-based games that tart up the ladies armor? I've seen it now in Aion, Tera, L2 and Perfect World. I think GW is the only US-based game with sexier options but I felt it was tame compared to those others. Thoughts?

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:48AM Silverangel said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
It's amusing and ironic that a bunch of males are discussing (or writing epic posts on) how sexy female attire should be. Seems like just more of the same problem--projection of male desires onto women, and a subconscious desire to control their sexuality. Put female artists in charge of designing the female attire for the game. Issues mitigated.

Personally, I found Tera's armors offensive until I could rationalize based on more understanding of the Castanic culture and the mandate of easy access. ^^

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:12AM JuliusSeizure said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@Silverangel

Not all men have opinions that demean women one way or the other, you know. :\

Anyway, I think the issue is in reference to companies that don't care one bit what women think because they know their majority audience is men. They're not going to hire a woman to tell them how to dress the women in their game, because what's more important is what they think men will want the women to look like.

The problem is that they ignore not just women but also men who feel women shouldn't be pigeonholed in the particular way they've decided.
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:15AM Dblade said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@Silverangel Meh, female artists do the exact same thing. Your attitude seems to think that depiction of female sexuality is all one-sided, and all the negative aspects are solely from male ideas. They're not: women using their sexuality is as old as samson and deliah (possibly as old as Eve convincing Adam to eat the apple) and a lot of these negative attitudes are female driven.

It wasn't so long ago that dresses were viewed as male oppression too.
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:41AM Silverangel said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@Dblade What "negative aspects"? You mean judgments passed on women by men, (and passed on themselves thanks to male judgments), even the very concept that they are exploiting or "using" themselves, as if this is somehow bad? If female artists "do the same thing", it's perfectly okay. Forcing women into a more virginal ideal is just as bad as forcing them into a sexualized one.
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:54AM JuliusSeizure said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I think it's a matter of how the character herself looks. Her bearing and demeanour.

Taking the header image for example, the left character looks strong-willed and attentive. He appears to be coolly regarding an opponent standing ready to defend herself and fight. So, her skimpy clothing suggests a sort of pragmatism; she dresses light because she's active and she's got nothing to be ashamed of anyway.

The middle character looks straight up elegant. She's a refined, probably noble sort, who dresses in fashion appropriate to her society and social standing. She's absolutely confident and classy, no matter how much of her skin is showing, because her culture doesn't hold to a repressive view on the body.

The character on the right looks like a disaffected catwalk model. She's vacant, just standing there so you can admire the little bit of clothing hanging off her and otherwise simply be an object of sexual fantasy. She even looks down and away, like an abuse victim resigned to her fate.

So, basically, sexualised female characters are fine, so long as that sexuality is coupled with evident strength. When they're made to look like victims ripe for the taking, it's sickening.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:02AM JuliusSeizure said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@JuliusSeizure

She* appears...

Geez, I'm sure I didn't think it wrong, so I can only assume my finger didn't quite press the 's' and held the shift a little too long. D:
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:55AM pid said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I insist that a good game sells well even without this.
So, games should really try and not do this, it's a bad practice in my view.
I understand that it costs less because the surface is less and the textures are smaller, but please... it's gone too far.
I also think that this is something that comes from the east. It was not normal on western MMOs before F2P and those cheap MMOs....

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:19AM Dblade said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
@pid http://news.cnet.com/Photo-Seeking-the-real-Antonia-Bayle/2009-1043_3-5694340.html

Even before that, remember the blond everquest babe? The elf? Only reason they didn't do it much earlier was graphic capability.
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:26AM JanChel said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
The last pic on the right certainly looks much sexier than the other two. Probably because it's the better character model and a newer game so better graphics. It would probably look sexier whatever you put on it.

Most game graphics haven't really crossed into really sexy looks until lately, like with Aion, FFXIV and Tera. Usually female models in older games came off as disproportionate, top heavy things.

So, that's probably where most of the issue come from. Now that the too sexy armor are put on actually sexy game models, people actually notice whereas before they really wouldn't care.

P.S. Kudos for the horns adding a bit of more of that evil temptress look. As you all know, guys are into bad girls. :p

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:27AM Randomessa said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
For me the determining factor is choice: do I have the option, when playing a female character, of wearing something that covers me up more, or am I restricted to the chainmail bikini? The more restricted I feel the character armor options are, the more likely I am to be annoyed with the design the devs are pushing onto the game.

Guild Wars, for example, I largely let slide because despite the fact that the Sunspear Armor pictured in the header exists (and in fact my character has a set), within the same campaign is also the conservative - and elite - Ancient Armor set (which my character also has): http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Elementalist_Ancient_armor/Female

I'm not for censoring whatever floats players' boats, even 14-year old boys who love boobs. I just want there to be choices for all comers. By specifically restricting aesthetics, the game gives a very clear message, and that message is: "14-year old boys who love boobs are more important to us than anyone else. Go away." And hey, if a game is telling me to go away, I will, gladly. But not without warning everyone I know to stay away, too.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 11:53AM copperbird said

  • 2.5 hearts
  • Report
@Randomessa That's a good point. For me, it doesn't bother me if some people like their characters to be barely dressed but I really really like my girls to look badass and that means full sets of spiky armour, not stilettos and cat suits with most of the material cut away.
Reply

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:29AM Shazzie said

  • 3 hearts
  • Report
As a female, there are a couple of criteria that push 'sexism' over the edge for me.

In a nutshell, these two:
1. Is 'sexy and/or skimpy' one option out of many, or is it the only option?
2. Is 'sexy and/or skimpy' restricted to females only?

I don't mind my characters wearing risque items now and then. I DO mind when I have no choice otherwise. I DO mind when, as I level, my clothing/armor covers me less and less, while the guys get covered up more and more.

After those top two, it comes down to 'does it bare skin in ridiculous amounts and/or places for the express purpose of sexualization' and does it make me feel like 'the character is only there to provide sexy wank off eye candy'. Neither one are remotely pleasant.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:31AM Lazlo Tallach said

  • 1 heart
  • Report
Guys like having really cool looking armor. It doesn't have to be sexy for a guy, just cool looking. That same armor set HAS to look cool AND sexy on a female. It is the manner in which the majority view things. We are in a fantasy gaming world we want it to fit our fantasy. In out fantasy, SEXY IS GOOD! Sex sells and the game industry has been all over this forever.
Why else would the games make it practically impossible to build an ugly female character? You really have to work at it to do so. So now you have this knockout babe ready to dominate the game and you're gonna dress her in a potato sack? NOT! You want what shows her off and make her into eye candy for yourself and everyone else that sees her. That's why the armor sets for females are the way they are. Some games go over the top and stretch the fantasy too far into unbelievable and thats when the outcry starts.
How much protesting has gone on about Perfect World's armor and fashions for females? The skirts are mostly just wide belts that show A LOT of those white panty shots so popular in asian born games. Not that i complain about it. I'm a guy and like most of the looks they have. The point being tossed about is that tipping point in believability where fantasy gets stretched too far and the look is just soft porn. Everyone has different tastes. Sensually erotic works for some, white trash slutty appeals to others. The list goes on.
Best just to move to a different game if you dont like the visuals. There are too many out there to waste time whining about how sexist this or that one is. If you don't like it, go elsewhere for your fun.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 11:22AM Heraclea said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
You would expect the armor in Age of Conan to be a whole lot sexier than it is, for both sexes. After all, partial nudity and adult themes were important selling points for the game. It tends to be dull and brown.

That game really needs a system that separates gear stats from gear appearance, like DCUO has. And a slightly expanded range of colors.

Featured Stories

Engadget

Engadget

Joystiq

Joystiq

WoW Insider

WoW

TUAW

TUAW