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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:08AM Aganazer said

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@jpkustra

Dang it! I was just about to post the same!
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 2:31PM badpenny said

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@jpkustra Agreed, and /signed
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:01AM Valkesh said

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I'm fairly certain people made comments about the female armor in Aion all the time...

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:03AM Lorell said

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I'm female MMO player and I have to admit I hate how some game want to sell "sex" (why not man sex :P ) Yes in GW or Aion female chars sometimes run is some shot shirts and blouse with big cleavage, but somehow it doesn't SOOO "sex-oriented". But on the other hand (yes I tried Tera), Tera's whole design of female is "sell sex" to me - that fact how females cast skills, how they move (Castanic female running anyone? >.> ) and theirs armors (panties, panties, panties and bra) are VERY set to "sell sex".

But I guess that's one of the reasons Tera is rated 18+...

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:26AM kjhasdfjkhk said

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@Lorell

Example of Male Castanic HEAVY ARMOR:

http://tera-online.cc/uploads/gallery/main/55/castanic_m_h02.jpg

Nuff said.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 3:55PM Protoavis said

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@kjhasdfjkhk

That should appeal but all I'm thinking is his torso is out of proportion (long) and he has no crotch.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2011 6:23AM InspectorDubplate said

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@Lorell what people need to come to terms with is that most of the MMO community is male, it is undeniable, and everywhere you look this is seen ( ie. eve online is 95% male, shaiya 80% male .. etc..) it is only logical to make it appeal to males. nuff' said.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:08AM Zaszar said

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I would say -- since Howard and the earliest Weird Tales cover art its a venerable tradition of the Fantasy genre.

Btw. I really don't understand what the fuzz is all about -- I still remember when I was playing EQ2 how all the female guild members made us run guild deeds to get the harem outfit.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:11AM zangarth said

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Ever wonder what guy has the job of creating boob physics in video games?

I wonder if the go around motion captureing to get the jiggle just right.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 1:09PM oxlar said

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@zangarth

Its the two kids from the wierd science movie, now that they have grown up.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:12AM zangarth said

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*they

wish there was an edit button

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:16AM FaerliSayne said

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Is the armor consistent in its style and design to emphasize attractive physical attributes? Well then, it could be sexy or stripperific. I think the line comes from believability. Does the attire seem natural, something an individual might actually wear in a cultural setting? (the first image above) Or does the attire seem contrived, as though it was intended to be functional and someone just removed bits of cloth to show random gratuitous flesh? (the last image). Does the armor convey a sense of female empowerment or does it feel as though the developers are objectifying the female body with their design choices? I understand that many of these questions are subjective, but the answers to these questions have also been shaped to some degree by our cultural upbringing and exposure to various forms of media.

The armor in the first image I like, and reminds me of something one would see on a courtesan, assassin, or devious schemer. It is attractive and believable to me.

The seond image has a less realistic, distinctly fantasy feel and works for me because the breasts appear to be held secure by the top (ever try to run without support? Ouch!) and the short skirt allows for running and fighting without hindering the wearer. The leggings, though not necssary, actually provide a sense of modesty while showing off the shape of the legs.

The last image, however, does strike me as trampy. The leg exposure is tacky and doesn't work with the outfit at all. Would have done better to leave the leg covering in and make it sleek to accentuate the shape of the female thigh. The chest exposure is too overdone. If the opening had been smaller, and been a sleek slit right down between the breasts and across the belly it could have played to the imagination of the viewer.

Design choices, I think, are a lot of it. Is the armor believable, or does it look contrived to show gratuitous amounts of flesh when otherwise it would be a functional piece in some form or fashion. Also, does it play to the viewer's imagination, allowing them to appreciate what they see without hitting them in the face with gratuitous flesh?

BTW, I also agree to w/ copperbird. A lot of times when females are provided with attractive armor and men are not, the dfiference becomes more distinct.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:18AM Dblade said

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You guys need new "slow news day" topics. This would earn the coveted beating the dead horse icon in a forum.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:33AM JuliusSeizure said

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@Dblade

You do realise that the Daily Grind has nothing to do with news, right? It's just a conversation starter to get a discussion going about whatever random topic pops into a Massively staff member's head that morning for the sake of fun and community.

Chill out a little?
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 10:01AM Dblade said

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@JuliusSeizure They need more random topics. It's not like they haven't done this one multiple times before, and it pops up enough on it's own in a TERA thread.

It's not like there aren't legit ones. What about the revelation of no direct player targeting in GW 2? Why not talk about MMO targeting systems, or how it's odd many classes go through entire raids without actually seeing them, like Kill Ten Rats mentioned? Or even why not just flip this on its end, and ask readers what makes a MALE costume sexy or demeaning?

On topics like this it's not really going to spark anything new.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 5:18PM FaerliSayne said

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@Dblade

I just had a horrid vision of male avatars prancing around in speedos.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:40AM Laren said

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Female armor should be cool. Skimpy armor is definitely cool, like xena, for example. But there is a line, and it is different for everyone.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:41AM j1083 said

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I offer the theory that TERA catches flack over skimpy armor because they're somewhat more equal-opportunity about it. Guys aren't as enamored of objectification when it's focusing on them.

I think Faerli Sayne gives an excellent rundown, my opinions are similar. I have nothing inherently against "sexy" armor, but it needs to at least maintain the illusion of functionality and exposed skin is not the penultimate incarnation of sexy.

Armor can and maybe sometimes even should be sexy. The problem is when it's obvious that it was sexy first and armor second.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:42AM Ocho said

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I think setting and purpose has a lot to do with it. If you're a light-armor wearing mage or necromancer, where they are known for being a little aloof, then wearing something revealing on the feminine side is more of a character trait. Its when you see heavy armor wearing characters and the "plate" armor is little more than a bikini that it crosses the line, imo.

Thats why Tera seems to be getting the whipping. The heavy armor tanking classes have the women showing lots of bare areas of skin... not that conducive for taking a lot of hits.

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 9:43AM Darkdust said

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I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, I agree that it's discriminatory and tends to reinforce the idea that women aren't really that capable but just exist as sex objects.

On the other hand, yeah, that header image on the right is hot.

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