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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:08PM Apakal said

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Why do I get the impression that literally 90% of the people in this thread haven't been following SWTOR news AT ALL.

Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:44PM Lenn said

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@Apakal People will believe anything if it means they won't feel the need to abandon their MMO of choice (WoW or otherwise).
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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:12PM Nerokis said

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While this statement doesn't exactly make me respect BioWare more, "plucking a potentially controversial statement from a speech/interview/whatever without offering the larger context" articles aren't worthy of respect, either.

Let's see what else was said. If there was a back and forth taking place, let's see some of that. What drove him to make that statement? Did he also at some point mention how TOR is unique? Did he offer any clarification at all as to what "rules" he was speaking of? Was he part of a panel with a Blizzard guy, and possibly just being flattering?

All in all, this is some annoying "journalism." (I know: it's not real journalism.) Hey, this adds fuel to the fire. Let's report it. Oh, and don't waste time reporting on what noncontroversial things were said.


Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:39PM Beltyra said

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@Nerokis
Massively is just playing up the drama. Generating the biggest frenzy possible. They learned this from other news sources like CNN and Fox, where we post what we want to make the most hype.

And it's a good thing they posted that article earlier about how great massively is at not being biased, and how game journalism isn't journalism etc.

Stay classy Massively!
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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:56PM Nerokis said

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@sleepr

Thanks for that link.

"With Morhaime's presence on the stage noted, Zeschuk and Muzyka were then asked how they hope to compete in the massively multiplayer online space, and in particular, what can they bring to the table. Zeschuk began by noting that World of Warcraft remains the touchstone in the industry, and it proves that big games still work. He also said that because of WOW's influence, it is important to maintain the standards that the game established.

That said, Zeschuk noted that anyone who plays Star Wars: The Old Republic will see that it is a BioWare game. Second, he said that they aren't going out there to beat anyone, in that they aren't positing the game as the oft-feared, never-materialized WOW killer. Lastly, Zeshuck said that delivering superior service is of the utmost importance for BioWare, even if it is an incredibly intimidating project to take on."

I'm still not totally certain what was meant by that statement, but this definitely shows that more context would have been helpful.
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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:37PM ChongShin said

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""It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb," Zeschuk said."

This is one of the most awful things that I've read from a game development company in a long time. It shows that they're more concerned about business than they are the customer. It shows that suits are entirely, 100% in charge. It shows a lack of creativity and imagination.

I am SO glad that I was never hyped about this game, but this just takes the cake. Nah. on second thought, it takes the entire bakery.

Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:44PM Beltyra said

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@ChongShin
So they should concern themselves with the vocal minority of the 400,000 anti-WoW fans who slather the internet in nerd-rage? Rather than say, some of the 13 million current subscribers to WoW?

Yeah, damn suits.
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 5:15AM Bongo123 said

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@ChongShin

remind me never to hand you a hundred mil to go develop a game, you have absolutely no conept of how big buisness works
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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:41PM Graill440 said

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""It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it. And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb," Zeschuk said."
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Well now, guess i will steer clear of any titles associated with this clown.

Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:46PM Beltyra said

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@Graill440
Yeah, forget what we've learned over the last ten years cause that's like stupid and stuff!
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Posted: Feb 11th 2011 3:30AM Graill440 said

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@Beltyra

If i read your blog the wrong way i apologize ahead of time but it seems your supporting the ramblings of the rich and ignorant? Aol is huge too, bigger than WOW, doesnt mean its worth a bucket of dung, except to investors. Facebook is also popular, does that mean i should be mindless and jump on the bandwagon too?
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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:42PM (Unverified) said

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Perhaps they should move the setting to "Clone Wars" instead of the old republic..... Zaa-ing (obviously I kid, because I'm still looking forward to the game so don't pull out the pitchforks lol)

Posted: Feb 10th 2011 5:46PM Beltyra said

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Well played.
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Posted: Feb 10th 2011 6:28PM Radd said

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"And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb," Zeschuk said

Thats brilliant dude...lets try to beat WoW by being, you know, just like WoW!
I predict Bioware delivering SWTOR patches based on WoW patches, just like Rift is doing...you know, why hire designers to actually give the game original ideas if Blizzard already have a lot of them designing all the amazing stuff for WoW? Wait for Blizzard to give the path to success, then copy it for the win.

Seriously, GW2 cant come soon enough...

Posted: Feb 10th 2011 7:07PM (Unverified) said

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Completely different from WoW....

That must be the reason Call of Duty is a very successful MMO its nothing like WoW.

Or not...

Posted: Feb 11th 2011 8:25PM tekert said

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Now i understand the drama months ago about this game, in my book after reading this.. Well, I'm with that guy who resigned.

Posted: Feb 13th 2011 2:34PM xZSOLTx said

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Heres the thing im you incompetents didn't think about. Those who dont like WoW your the majority. Add up all the mmorpgs we have and WoW still has more players. ToR is doing the right thing because guess what?! Your the minority they dont care about you...and truthfully they shouldn't. Think about this kiddies Mmorpg is a type of game right? so all mmorpg's must have certain things to make it a mmorpg right? so in essence's you are correct by brainlessly stating the every new mmorpg that comes out is a WoW clone. Good for you! Now! what is the most statistically successful mmorpg on the east coast? You guessed it World of Warcraft! Well obviously there doing something right? What I also hear a lot is they look the same! Well even better! now why do you think WoW is so succesful maybe because it attracts to people that have low and high end computers can play thus allowing for more players! O-M-G ToR is doing that to? Oh noes!!! Also that BS about now allowing new ideas? Look at music there first was rock, then metal, then punk, then post hardcore, hardcore, etc this is how things become new! they evolve who would have known?! idk! for every new mmorpg that comes out they have something new to offer...try one out sometime. Thanks

Posted: Feb 15th 2011 2:12AM (Unverified) said

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So, I've read through all the comments, and I just can't go without outing the posts that keep saying "Well WoW makes generates so much cash, this game is amazing".

Simply put, you guys are closet Bieber fans. Following your same lines of logic: Well, Justin Bieber generates tons of cash for his company so he's the best musician evar.

If you do break any of the Bieber rules, you're stupid!

Posted: Feb 15th 2011 9:36AM Jez said

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I really don't see how ToR can fail. There are loads of MMO fans, loads of Star Wars fans and they'll be playing a game made by a great company and published by a great publisher. Content will be good, storytelling, VO and graphics look incredible and I can't wait for people to get going.

You might say WoW got lucky with the whole LotR films and such, but they've made a great game regardless. Having said that, after you've finished Twilight Highlands and you've run out of quests (considering the new 1-60 stuff as trivial) there's not much for you to do at end game.

I would live to see Bioware constantly evolve the storyline and have areas change (large-scale phasing) quarterly. It seems nowadays that in WoW, people are either idling in SW/Org or re-rolling alts. They just want a nice social experience. Most of the players might not even be gamers.. but word of mouth subscribers who want to 'be' with their friends.

As for the WoW statement, it's a little brave... but it would be foolish not to acknowledge what WoW has done well and offer people a similar experience... even if what WoW offers only ends up being 40% (lol) of what you can do in TOR.

I know STO and LOTRO didn't do that well... but Tubine and Cryptic just aren't in the same league as Blizz and Bioware. Blizzard will absolutely consider ToR a very real threat to their subscriber base... and there will come a time for a lot of people where they just need a change. The investment of however many hundred days played on their main obviously means something... but the here and now... and the future... matter just as much as the past. Chapter closed, Paladin. Thanks for the memories... now.. where did I put that Lightsabre!

Posted: Feb 16th 2011 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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@Jez

Blinders off, please.
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