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Posted: Feb 7th 2011 9:43AM Malagarr said

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It's times like this I miss Netmech 95. These young whipper snappers today wouldn't know lagshooting if it snuck up and bit 'em on their keisters!

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 9:53AM Katt said

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It's nothing to do with reaction speed. As you get older you care far less about it. Kids have more to prove, and good luck to them, but once you're in your 30s the fact that you can "pwn" someone really doesn't give you much of a sense of achievement, just as getting pwned doesn't have that sting it used to.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 2:25PM Krogg said

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@Katt
I think that each individual is different in this regard. I'm 36 and still have a blast "pwning" people in PvP and it gives me a since of accomplishment.
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Posted: Feb 7th 2011 9:56AM Jeromai said

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PvP is a game for those who play to win.

It's not just age, though it does have an effect, be it slowing down the reflexes or other concerns of growing old becoming more pressing.

It's also the vagaries of fate that topple kings, as well as a growing realization (which often comes with the passage of time or increasing maturity, but not always) that there's more to life than playing to win.

That's not to say that it isn't good or fun to strive to win for entertainment, for fun, for learning, for improvement, for challenge, competition or accomplishment. But all things taken to extremes become unhealthy, and PvP by its nature is about going to more extremes than the other guy in order to win.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 4:14PM StClair said

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@Jeromai : Well said.
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Posted: Feb 7th 2011 10:18AM nevin said

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I win more than I lose by a long way and I'm a way over 30.

In most PvP situations you need quick reactions, calm steady hand, understanding of your class, understanding of the opponent, luck plus a myriad of other factors. No one item is a winner but a combination of many of them..or at least more of them than your opponent can bring to the table.

You can generalise and while yes, younger players will have faster reaction times than older players, it's a lot more complicated than that.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 10:30AM Elikal said

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Yes there are always some who remain fast and agile with 40+, but by and large a person between 16 and 26 is in his/her physical prime, and that means he has more stamina and faster reactions. Thats not magic or speculation, but simple scientific fact. PVP is almost in every case a matter of who has the faster reactions and the better overview on his doings. Such things just DO slow down as you age. It's absurd to say otherwise.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 11:44AM markt50 said

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At the ripe old age of 38 I think age does impact on PvP for me, not so much in the area of skill, but more in the fact that I just don't have the patience for certain styles of PvP.

Take a FFA PvP game, i.e. Darkfall. Years ago I would have loved a game like this and loved the thril of fighting other people and the danger of getting killed and having my stuff looted etc. These days that just isn't for me. I still enjoy PvP but it has to be PvP with consequence or team based so DCUO for example I found fun as is RIFT PvP.

So as I've got older I have found that my tastes in the type of PvP I enjoy have changed.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 10:50AM xyna031 said

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Playing with youth in pvp is just horrible...
Im 18 and i prefer people atleast with 20+ to play with cause 90% of times people above 20s even older then 20s are just plain jerks that "bitch and moan" for everything that go wrong in the match and im talking about both mmos/fps/rts everything its just plain horrible, so i really enjoy a match with "more grown-up people" even if we lose i know it will be fun and we all have a blast and laugh in the end :)

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 11:39AM bleyzwun said

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@xyna031 Definitely agree with you on that. The punks that talk trash probably turn off potential PvPers more than their losses. When I play these games I realize that not everyone is on the same level (experience, skill and gear wise). Yet, these people expect everyone to know and do everything perfectly. It's just a game!
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Posted: Feb 7th 2011 11:36AM bleyzwun said

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Age doesn't matter. I'm 30 (yes I know not really old lol) and will keep PvPing as long as I play these games. If you get stomped in 2 seconds, get better. I don't care if I get beat down, because I know I will beat someone else at some point. I think it's more attitude than age that plays a factor in if you want to PvP.

A lot of people care if they get owned. They also care if the "Pros" yell at them and call them names. This doesn't affect me because if I get beat, I will come back and try again (or will get you next time). If you call me names but have actual feedback, I will laugh at you for being an ass, then learn from what you said.

I do feel that these PvP "Pros" could be a bit kinder to people. Instead of calling someone a noob, why not give an explanation of why they're a noob? That would benefit both you and the guy who is learning. I guess this goes for PvE, too.

But yeah... The key to PvP (for me) is to not care what happens. As long as I'm enjoying myself it's all good. Also I don't play hardcore, do or die, full loot PvP games... Obviously my way would be complete fail in a game like that.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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Younger crowd tends to yell out slurs and "HACKER!, THAT'S BULL..etc" if you do something awesome to win. Being an mmo vet(EQ etc) it's sad to see how this ner generation is headed

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 12:27PM Rimeshade said

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Well at the risk of deviating from the norm, I'd say that you could certainly correlate pvp activity and age but that won't neccescarily show causation.
Also, I take issue with the idea that the young are the only ones who stir up trouble and are members of the CAPS LOCK CREW; those types of people are known as "idiots" and are prevalent in all age groups, perhaps the younger ones are simply louder than the older ones but in both cases they are likely vocal minorities of their respective groups.

As for age and reaction time, its an interesting topic and it is NOT as previously inferred completely reductionist, that is, it's not due solely to physical factors, there is a significant psychological aspect to it revolving around older people's treatment of external stimuli and their tendancy to ruminate and / or examine things more closely than MOST young people (individual differences, people).

And of course I must provide a source for this or it appears like an ass pull;

http://biology.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.htm#Age

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 12:45PM Shirogetsune said

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I work with several other games, but I'm the old man of the group - 26. The others are 21-22, etc. What I've noticed is that younger gamers seem to more easily obsess over numbers compared to older gamers. I could care less if said ring boosts my critical strike chance by 1%, to me, it's not worth farming to get it. But the younger kids see that as a 1% edge and put in the effort to become "the best." After time, this of course builds up. So, in traditional gear based MMOs, yeah, the kids have the advantage. I don't have the time or motivation to spend all day or a week trying to grab one piece of gear. If I'm farming for an item, it's because I like the way it looks.

As for FPS or other non-numbers based games... I dunno. I do well enough against them. I think it's more about thinking on your feet there than anything else. Which, unless you're *really* old, age shouldn't matter.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 1:33PM winterborn said

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PVP in MMO's sucks reguardless of age, there someone had to say it.

Age has less to do with skill it has to do with practice. Younger gamers spend more time playing.
I spend more time with my Woman, Cars and Guns than with my Games : )

Now get off my lawn !!!

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 2:11PM donweel said

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For one on one duels age probably is a factor. But dueling other players is boring. Warfronts are a different situation. If you go in with a pre-made balanced party you are going to do very well. In this situation strategy and teamplay are more important than split second reaction time.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 2:28PM xilr said

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As an older gamer I avoid most PVP-Only games for 2 reasons. The first reason is my physical disadvantage. Ya It exists. I've played the same games today as I did in college and I used to be able to handle much harder difficulty levels than back then. Also my sight isnt what it used to be.

The second reason is that losing doesnt bother me....Poor sportsmanship does. PVP games bring out the absolute worst the younger generation has to offer. Its one thing to lose, its another thing to listen to the young trash-talker babble on and on about how bad I am and how awesome he is.... Little does he know I was throwing around "Corp Por" spells while he was still inside his father..... :P

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 2:28PM Titan1 said

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MMOs are about gear.

He who owns the best stuff, wins. It is as simple as that.

Tell 39 year old heavy weight boxing champion Vitali Klitschko age is a factor in video gaming. He would get a good laugh out of that, I'm sure.
There isn't a person posting here that could withstand 30 seconds in the ring with him I don't care how young, fast and tough you think you are.

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 2:29PM Sonoran said

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Game Hours * Class Familiarity * Gear Uberness ^2 / Connection Latency * Peripheral Nerve Conduction Time * Mental Processing Time = Expected PvP Win %

Posted: Feb 7th 2011 2:58PM (Unverified) said

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First I will agree completely that how you control your character in PvP is the biggest deciding factor. No matter how good your ability to spot your opponent or make the correct decision on what to do/use, your ability to select your target and just as much LoS your opponents can make or break you in PvP.

Control is partially the game interface, and for many games a Game console style control pad is a must.

But reflexes are just as much a major part of the game. When I started playing MMO's and PvPing in 2005 I was in my 40's and still had good reflexes, today I pretty much avoid PvP because I can see how much my reflexes have slowed.

Even in 2005 I could easily tell how much quicker the 20 and under crowed was.

Making the right decision is also important, but there I do not see any advantage to being older. The younger player can learn and while they may not like school and want to put the effort into learning, for a game they will put the effort in.

Also nearly all PvP tends to focus on twitch play. Being older with work and other commitments and an appreciation for life away from a game means that you do not "practice" as much as a student would. So they will have the reflex based reactions of repetitive play that older players will have. Since they will have more time to do this and are also willing to spend a higher percentage of that time practicing.

So yes PvP from my experience is dominated by the younger player. What does make me mad is when I see people post in PvP forums about how people complaining about PvP are youngsters. While they want to imply that they are pre-teens, since most that make that claim are in their teens and 20's. Some of the requests are legitimate requests to make the PvP combat system be a little less dependent on twitch and reflexes so that older and more responsible players can continue to enjoy that aspect of the game if they like it.

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